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Parts Cross Reference and Windscreen and other dumb questions
« on: Monday,April 29, 2024, 06:17:58 AM »
Spent another weekend working on my '71 S2 and more good progress was made. The front and rear suspension, steering and gear linkage is all good to go. Just needs a nut & bolt check, going over to check all torque settings are correct and I need a small piece welded for the rear gearbox mount. A few other small jobs and I'll be ready to put the body back down on the [new] chassis.. for the first time in 15 years :)

I'll be ordering new silicon hoses from Banks shortly, but I also need a new radiator. Does anyone know which ones fit? I unfortunately no longer have a radiator at all, so have nothing to compare it to and I'm assuming something like a VW polo rad' will fit?

Brake pipe to the rear, do you run the pipes through the chassis? I'm assuming you do, but someone might have a better idea?

Windscreen surrounds: Mine is very ugly. The silver plastic is massive and just doesn't look very nice. Is there a better option?
I'm still a way off of having to worry about such things, but I think it every time I look at it! :)

Oh and the final dumb question is the callipers/disks are from a Triumph Spitfire, right?

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Re: Parts Cross Reference and Windscreen and other dumb questions
« Reply #1 on: Monday,April 29, 2024, 08:04:01 AM »
I’ve been caught by the differences between the S2 and the TCs but I can answer some of these.

For a radiator, I would recommend an aluminum radiator off of eBay and if you want to be more original, there’s also what seems like a stock radiator with a modern fan (https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p4432023.m570.l1313&_nkw=lotus+europa+radiator&_sacat=0).

Brake tubing ran under the backbone on the TCs and I assume also on the S2.

There is a recent thread on windshield surround that might interest you. From the top level of the main menu, search for “surround” and I’m sure you’ll find it.

The front brakes came off a Spitfire. Along with a lot of other good information, this page has links to some parts cross references (http://lotus-europa.com/manuals/index.htm).

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Re: Parts Cross Reference and Windscreen and other dumb questions
« Reply #2 on: Monday,April 29, 2024, 08:08:13 AM »
Thank you for the excellent help.

But when you say under the backbone, do you mean the side nearest the ground? Or do you mean between the chassis and body (in my mind that could also be described as "under" :) )

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Re: Parts Cross Reference and Windscreen and other dumb questions
« Reply #3 on: Monday,April 29, 2024, 08:19:02 AM »
On my car, the brake tubing was originally on the underside of the backbone. When I built my car, I attached it to the side of the backbone. I've heard of others doing the same thing. I don't think there is a huge advantage to running the tubing on the side of the backbone. If you're concerned about rocks hitting the tubing as I was, you can still put it on the bottom and pop a piece of aluminum over it to protect it (when the body is fitted to the frame, it hangs below the backbone by an inch or two). It's tomato tomahto!

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Re: Parts Cross Reference and Windscreen and other dumb questions
« Reply #4 on: Monday,April 29, 2024, 08:55:34 AM »
The windscreen trim wraps around the glass at the edge.  If it is original then you may be able to simply pull it off, but then you'll need to remove the windscreen and replace the ancient butyl sealant with a modern urethane adhesive.  The butyl sealant they used at the factory gets hard with age in some places and doesn't hold the screen in very well.  I found it scary easy to pull of the trim and then push the screen out from inside with gentle pressure. 

I'm sure there's a wide variety of generic windscreen trim options available as an alternative to stock, probably applied after the screen is glued in. 
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Re: Parts Cross Reference and Windscreen and other dumb questions
« Reply #5 on: Monday,April 29, 2024, 09:31:16 AM »
buroz, in case you haven't found the thread I mentioned (there are a lot more threads with "surround" in them than I figured!), here's the one I was talking about (https://www.lotuseuropa.org/LotusForum/index.php?topic=6494.msg69979#msg69979). Reply #22 has the link to Brit ebay that has an inexpensive surround.

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Re: Parts Cross Reference and Windscreen and other dumb questions
« Reply #6 on: Monday,April 29, 2024, 10:39:12 AM »
Spent another weekend working on my '71 S2 and more good progress was made. The front and rear suspension, steering and gear linkage is all good to go. Just needs a nut & bolt check, going over to check all torque settings are correct and I need a small piece welded for the rear gearbox mount. A few other small jobs and I'll be ready to put the body back down on the [new] chassis.. for the first time in 15 years :)

Don't forget, there is a small (3/16" tall) spacer UNDER the heim/ball joint on the end of the shift adapter off the end of the transaxle.  If you just snug up the nut on the joint...the joint will bind against the nut and loosen up in the arm.  Not that it won't shift properly, but the joint will always be loose.  See first photo.

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I'll be ordering new silicon hoses from Banks shortly, but I also need a new radiator. Does anyone know which ones fit? I unfortunately no longer have a radiator at all, so have nothing to compare it to and I'm assuming something like a VW polo rad' will fit?

Patterned radiators (aluminum) are all over EvilBay like flies on you-know-what.  That's your best choice: the mounts are in the right place, the baffle is where it needs to be, the hose connections are on the right side and in the right place, and, from the few I've seen, they just fit, rather than trying to make something work that was not meant to go in that space.  Also, don't forget to reinistall the fiber closing pieces at the rear of the nose that cover the steering rack and so forth.  If you don't...you won't pressurize the chamber enough to get airflow through the radiator and you will overheat.  If they've gone walkabout...make some.  I used 24 thou sheet aluminum.  See photo 2.

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Brake pipe to the rear, do you run the pipes through the chassis? I'm assuming you do, but someone might have a better idea?

As BDA said, from the factory they ran under the backbone.  Some, as he said, mount them up on the side.  However you do, use padded Adel ("P") clamps so 1) you don't get dissimilar metal corrosion and 2) a more secure mounting.  See last photo below for example.  If you do run new kunifer line, the original "T" clips are probably past their 'sell-by' date, so I'd go with the proper size adel clamp and use the holes the "T" clips were in to locate the adels and use stainless sheet metal screws to attach.  (in fact, unless it's structural fittings, I replace all the oem steel screws, washers, and such with stainless.  But that's a different story so I don't thread hijack...)

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Windscreen surrounds: Mine is very ugly. The silver plastic is massive and just doesn't look very nice. Is there a better option?
I'm still a way off of having to worry about such things, but I think it every time I look at it! :)

You are limited by your imagination.  Some re-set the window and fill in the gap with urethane and get chrome trim that sticks on/glues on to cover the joint.  Others save the original trim (since it's been long (as in since the late 80s) unavailable) and do a chrome vinyl wrap, others?  If you do attempt to remove the windshield...take your time.  As I work around the periphery, I use wood shims to hold the glass (or plastic...depends on what you find at the hardware store) away from the cut mastic/butyl.  Remember, the fragile part of the glass is the edge; nick the edge and you will get a runner.  Time, patience, and minimizing the use of metal tools will go a long way. 

In the end, it's your car...what makes you happy?

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Oh and the final dumb question is the callipers/disks are from a Triumph Spitfire, right?

They are the same body...but the drillings for the bundy connection are different, so if you use Spit calipers, you'll have to bend up new hard pipes to go from the flex hose to the caliper.

But if you still have yours...they can be overhauled, repaired, and will work fine.  The pistons aren't a close fit in the bores...there's a quad seal in the cylinder that centers the piston in the bore, and with some judicious cleaning up, new seals, a lick of paint (if you want...I did mine in red just because...) and you're good to go.  I've never tossed what looked like trashed calipers...always was able to return them to use.  Haven't tossed one yet.  Stainless pucks, new seals, new bleeder, set of pads, pins, anti-rattle...takes an hour or so to do both of them once they're cleaned up and painted.  I always preferred using the originals since the fluid inlet was where it was designed for in the car (in the center of the back) and the bleed was where it needed to be (at the top) to make it easier to get working.  Just a thought.
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Re: Parts Cross Reference and Windscreen and other dumb questions
« Reply #7 on: Monday,April 29, 2024, 10:47:06 AM »
I thought I'd remind everyone that if you split the caliper, you should use the square section o-ring and not a regular round sectioned one. The square section ones are generally available where ever rebuild kits are sold and may be part of the rebuild kit.

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Re: Parts Cross Reference and Windscreen and other dumb questions
« Reply #8 on: Monday,April 29, 2024, 11:00:45 AM »
I thought I'd remind everyone that if you split the caliper, you should use the square section o-ring and not a regular round sectioned one. The square section ones are generally available where ever rebuild kits are sold and may be part of the rebuild kit.

Somewhere around, I have the torque figures (there are two different size bolts, and Girling never released the figures.  Easiest (closest) way to see what the torque should be is to use a beam torque wrench and note the break-away torque) to use in resetting the two halves together.  It's close enough.  Proper name for that seal is "Quad Seal" and usually not in the standard rebuild kits (since you're not supposed to split the caliper), but most of the usual suspects have them.

Photo has the part number (it's actually listed in the Elan part catalogue...hence the 026 prefix.  No, I save the parts bags the stuff comes in from Ray so I have a record of what I've done so far, and what still needs be installed).


Needless to say, rebuilding calipers is one of the more enjoyable repair jobs on these things.  OK, I'm strange. 
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Currently working on 3291R, ex 444R, 693R, 65/2163, 004R, 65/2678
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