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Offline Bainford

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Re: Reverse lock out?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday,October 23, 2019, 08:52:48 AM »
Thanks Dan. Interesting read.

Curious no mention of double clutching the down shifts. Does anyone else do this. I agree with everything said in the above post regarding the need to wait until the Renault box is good and ready before it will move into the next gear. Forcing it won't work, and will increase wear & tear on internal bits. However, with good double clutching the stick literally falls into the selected gear with no effort or resistance at all. It's likely easier on the trans internals as well. It's very satisfying when you get it right.

A double clutched heel & toe downshift keeps you busy, but quickly becomes second nature, and is very effective at slipping the box, or at least the 365 box, into gear without resistance.
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Re: Reverse lock out?
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday,October 23, 2019, 09:35:30 AM »
I do toe-heel double clutch downshifts always. They are pretty easy on the Renault trannies. On my Mercedes C230 tranny, they are hit or miss so I think there is some dependency on the design of the tranny. This is easier on the synchro and because of that, the downshift is a bit quicker. I want to amplify Peter's point that if you have shifting, you should first pay attention to your linkage. It is long and in many cases include joints that can be problematic.

Concerning the detent cam on the 352 - I have to admit that I have no direct experience with that tranny so I may have made a "rash" assumption. From pictures in the manual, the 352 and the 365 have the same R detent mechanism but the profile of that cam may be different. On the other hand, Peter's may have been altered. It might be an interesting to compare the two. The parts manual gives different part numbers for them so presumably they are different.

Reading Tim Engel's post, quoted by Dan, I have to say that I've never thought, or needed to think about it, in that much detail - except that downshifting into second requires slight leftward pressure as you put back on the lever. I would only say that in general, shifting should be done smoothly and gently. If you have to man handle it, there is something wrong. I found Tim's observation that the clutch pedal all the way to the floor. Thinking I might like a more sensitive clutch, I tried to adjust the clutch a little tighter and I couldn't get into a gear because it would not disengage. I didn't exhaustively experiment with it so maybe I could have gotten a good lighter adjustment but I wasn't really unhappy with the way it was before so I just set it back. Since Tim's and my experiences are the same in that ares, maybe there is something about the clutch that requires a full pedal travel...

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Double Clutching
« Reply #17 on: Sunday,July 05, 2020, 01:07:44 PM »
Bravo!  There's another Lotus owner who double-clutches down-shifts!  I had a 21 year old neighbor try a fit in my Formula Ford.             

I wasn't sure he had slid all the way into the car and asked: "Can you reach the clutch pedal?"  He replied "What's a clutch?"
So it appears that millennials have idea how to drive a real car!

Just 1 question: Do you Heal & Toe while downshifting?
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Re: Reverse lock out?
« Reply #18 on: Monday,July 06, 2020, 05:17:23 AM »
They kind of go hand in hand, don't they?

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Re: Double Clutching
« Reply #19 on: Monday,July 06, 2020, 11:26:47 AM »
Bravo!  There's another Lotus owner who double-clutches down-shifts!

Just 1 question: Do you Heal & Toe while downshifting?
Terry
I heel & toe everything, though in my old F-150, it helped to be wearing big boots. Rev matching whilst braking is a necessary skill, and in the Europa it's dead easy.
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Re: Reverse lock out?
« Reply #20 on: Monday,July 06, 2020, 02:53:01 PM »
Well you have grown up with cars with knackered gearboxes with shot synchro you learn how to double clutch or you can’t get it in gear and wreck the box that you can’t afford to fix. 
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