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Lotus Europa Forums => Classifieds Forums => eBay - Craigslist Ads - Other Listings => Topic started by: BDA on Saturday,April 04, 2020, 11:57:43 AM
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Looks like a good platform for a restoration: https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-lotus-europa-twin-cam-5/
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There's a hitch hiker in photo# 59...on top of the brake drum!
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You do have a good eye, Lou!!!
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BDA: I think I am going to invite that guy @poleposition from BAT to my next party. :BEER3: Or teach him the difference between "break" and "brake"! Man, I guess the coronavirus has gotten to him or he is trying to suppress Twin Cam prices till he can afford one. I wonder how many unfinished projects does he have sitting in his yard. LOL! Wirewheel.com is the dealer. They sell some pretty serious Loti.
https://www.wirewheel.com/inventory/available/
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Chassis looks rough to me. The lower "T" section seems to be perforated. The same may be true of where the "Y" section joins at the rear. I have asked the seller to comment.
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I've not had my brakes apart yet, but it looks like the lower pad retaining pin on the right front disc caliper is missing to me.
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There's a hitch hiker in photo# 59...on top of the brake drum!
I've just had a look, primarily to find the hitch hiker!
the Europa looks like a good project :D
Mark
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BDA: I think I am going to invite that guy @poleposition from BAT to my next party. :BEER3: Or teach him the difference between "break" and "brake"! Man, I guess the coronavirus has gotten to him or he is trying to suppress Twin Cam prices till he can afford one. I wonder how many unfinished projects does he have sitting in his yard. LOL! Wirewheel.com is the dealer. They sell some pretty serious Loti.
https://www.wirewheel.com/inventory/available/
Just saw where @poleposition replied. I had thought about saying something snarky about him but thought better of it and now I'm even more glad I didn't since he redeemed himself. Hopefully, his spelling has improved too! For that matter, mine could use A LOT of improvement too! :)
I replied to JB's comment about the frame on BaT.
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It does look like a good project car to me but I can't take anymore vehicles on or I'll be divorced. I'm still tempted to risk the odd older Esprit however.
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Perforated chassis and an engine of unknown condition, seems a bit rich to me at 12.6K and change.
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I was surprised at the price, too. Maybe, hopefully, the market for Europas is heating up. When I compare this car that needs a lot of work to this one (https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1972-lotus-europa-twin-cam-3/) which was sold two and a half years ago and which is a well sorted, well executed modified car, it doesn't make much sense, but then I continually underestimate value of originality and those two and a half years might have helped too.
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Jeez I need to put my TC engine back together and forget about putting a zetec in it...
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Original also goes for more than modified.
Not to say you shouldn't modify. Just remember the value is going down while the costs go up ;-)
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I would hope that the reason somebody modified their car, it would be because it made the car more like he wanted it rather than some hope of making it more valuable.
At the first LOG I took my car to (not on a trailer), I won third place in the "people's choice concours." There were several very nice examples of TCs and TCSs but I humbly thought mine was nicer than that third place would imply. For the next LOG I polished everything I could: header tank, the oil tank, the stainless steel headers, etc. In short, my car looked about as it ever did. I got another third place in the "people's choice concous" again! In frustration, I wondered what I would have to do to win or at least do better than third! After a few minutes, I figured that whatever it would take, I didn't want to do it. I had built my car the way I wanted it! After that, it no longer bothered me how it might be viewed. I will be completely happy if I don't even get a third at the next LOG.
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I think it depends on the modification. If it is bolt-on and you keep the original parts and shouldn't devalue the car. I have a 123 electronic ignition but kept the original. The same with the upgraded exhaust manifold, crankshaft, radiator, rear links ect... Something like fender flares or something you can't undo is a completely different story. I have every original piece in great shape if someone wanted to restore it back to original. Of course I don't plan on selling it because I bought it to drive and enjoy. The last couple of Europas that sold for big dollars ($40,000+) all had upgraded mechanical bits but still maintained the integrity of the original design and that didn't devalue the car what soever.
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The more I learn from my 71 S2 project, I want to improve the car.
And there are lots of things, just to make it a better, safer, fun car.
I agree that the integrity of the design should be respected, but i think the purpose is to have more drivable europa s on the road.
Think 12,6K is a reasonable price for a driving and braking car, that with minor work can be roadworthy.
Sure, when you want it like new, you can spend a lot, but like the paint would be good enough for me.
Big advantage, no years of spending and work, just hit the road and have fun!
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I would not pay that much for a car that needs a chassis replacement and has a TC engine of unknown provenance. A test showing good compression, a video with quiet valves and a photo of the timing chain adjuster showing more adjustment left doesn't take hardly any work and gives a much better indication of engine condition.
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I would hope that the reason somebody modified their car, it would be because it made the car more like he wanted it rather than some hope of making it more valuable.
At the first LOG I took my car to (not on a trailer), I won third place in the "people's choice concours." There were several very nice examples of TCs and TCSs but I humbly thought mine was nicer than that third place would imply. For the next LOG I polished everything I could: header tank, the oil tank, the stainless steel headers, etc. In short, my car looked about as it ever did. I got another third place in the "people's choice concous" again! In frustration, I wondered what I would have to do to win or at least do better than third! After a few minutes, I figured that whatever it would take, I didn't want to do it. I had built my car the way I wanted it! After that, it no longer bothered me how it might be viewed. I will be completely happy if I don't even get a third at the next LOG.
I completely agree. It truth mine will end up being quite a bit different than stock, values be damned.