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Offline Chuck Nukem

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Re: The Zetec 'Ropacane
« Reply #300 on: Saturday,October 17, 2020, 08:20:22 PM »
Thanks BDA! No plans for AC at the moment....but I have 8 more months of bliss before I have to worry!

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Re: The Zetec 'Ropacane
« Reply #301 on: Sunday,October 25, 2020, 08:33:04 PM »
How lucky am I? I started to open the case of my 365 which was locked up tighter than a bank vault. I expected the mess of oil, ocean water, and diarrhea that came out, but I did not expect it to clean up nearly as well as it has so far!

As soon as I can produce a thin 30mm wrench to remove the speedo drive I will be able to split the case and begin the reanimation in the ultrasonic parts washer.

It seems that most of the bearings and seals can be had so I think this old girl will turn again with life.



An aside on the painting. It turns out I made a whoopsie. I believe the problem I was having with contamination in my base coat came from the mold work I did in the paint booth. I think trimming the waxed molds is what caused the havoc even though I put a new plastic floor down. I sanded it all off and reprimed with epoxy. This went well enough so I will just leave it like that until it warms up again. Now I have no excuse not to rebuild this drivetrain and have a driving chassis before I paint the car.

I once saw a Japanese youtube video where an owner made a "floor" for the frame by attaching a piece of plywood to the bottom and fitting a chair to it so that he could drive the bare frame around. I want this in my life....

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Re: The Zetec 'Ropacane
« Reply #302 on: Sunday,October 25, 2020, 08:41:13 PM »
Most bicycle shops sell 30mm thin headset wrenches.  They come in 30, 32, 33, 34, 35, and 40mm.

Like this:

https://www.amazon.ca/Park-Tool-HCW-7-Headset-Wrench/dp/B0012Q4EH6

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Re: The Zetec 'Ropacane
« Reply #303 on: Sunday,October 25, 2020, 08:43:36 PM »
Thanks for the tip JB!

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Re: The Zetec 'Ropacane
« Reply #304 on: Sunday,October 25, 2020, 08:44:52 PM »
That second picture looks pretty bad. I hope it looks better in real life!

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Re: The Zetec 'Ropacane
« Reply #305 on: Sunday,October 25, 2020, 09:02:13 PM »
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That second picture looks pretty bad. I hope it looks better in real life!

The 5th gear looked just like that. After scrubbing with a wire brush and some lacquer thinner it looked much better. We will see what the diff looks like cleaned up...

Sports car world has a supply of Renault gearboxes. I am not sure about their supply on 365 gear sets though...

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Re: The Zetec 'Ropacane
« Reply #306 on: Monday,October 26, 2020, 06:28:05 AM »
Fifth is the hardest to find since it’s a Hewland product. You might start to consider an NG3 in case you need the option.

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Re: The Zetec 'Ropacane
« Reply #307 on: Monday,October 26, 2020, 06:32:11 AM »
%th synchros are not a problem, it wears between 5th gear and it's bush due to lack of lube.  If that's good you fine, and LUCKY !!

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Re: The Zetec 'Ropacane
« Reply #308 on: Monday,October 26, 2020, 02:46:20 PM »
any tips on removing stuck speedo drive? I picked up a set of these service wrenches at HF for around $40 with 20% off.

https://www.harborfreight.com/15-piece-metric-service-wrench-set-93668.html

I tried penetrating lube
propane heating
shock loading with hammer taps while applying torque to wrench

The stuck shafts have just now begun to wiggle in rotation and the speedo nut is still tight! Am I missing something really dumb like it being LH thread? from the crest of the thread sticking past the edge of the nut it seems like it is conventionally threaded...

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Re: The Zetec 'Ropacane
« Reply #309 on: Monday,October 26, 2020, 03:52:44 PM »
The manual suggest locking it in two gears at the same time.  That way you only have to hold the transaxle from moving.

It's been a while and I can't remember if the gear is RH or LH thread.  Hopefully someone who does will chime in.

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Re: The Zetec 'Ropacane
« Reply #310 on: Monday,October 26, 2020, 04:25:28 PM »
In case the NG3 is similar, I relay my memory.

I took off the speedo gear from my NG3. I used a 32mm crowfoot wrench that I ground down to fit the flats of the piece (can't really call it a nut). I don't remember any problems getting it off. I torqued it using red locktite (the manual calls for Loctite FRENBLOC which from what I was able to tell is the same thing but I'm not sure). Obviously, that can't have been used on the initial assembly since the heat you would need to loosen the piece would melt the nylon gears. I thought Richard told me to to torque it pretty high (don't remember the torque) but it appears that the NG3 manual only 35 ft-lbs.

There you go. That's about all I think I remembered.

Hope it helps!


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Re: The Zetec 'Ropacane
« Reply #311 on: Monday,October 26, 2020, 08:36:41 PM »
This is my first transmission rebuild and I think I jumped in at the deep end. I got fed up with trying to knock the speedo drive off the end of the output shaft so I pulled the pins on the plate and split the case just to see how bad it was.

Initial signs look promising upon grime removal. There are polished surfaces under there....

I doubt this is ever going to be a quiet trans though.....

What say you forum? Does she deserve to live another time?

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Re: The Zetec 'Ropacane
« Reply #312 on: Monday,October 26, 2020, 08:58:11 PM »
Sorry, I think you are looking for another transaxle.  What a waste.

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Re: The Zetec 'Ropacane
« Reply #313 on: Monday,October 26, 2020, 09:56:36 PM »
That pinion looks pretty crook, Chuck.

What's the history here . . did the trans take on water or something?

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Re: The Zetec 'Ropacane
« Reply #314 on: Monday,October 26, 2020, 10:02:30 PM »
That pinion looks pretty crook, Chuck.

What's the history here . . did the trans take on water or something?

Gavin,
This car was picked up 100ft from the Gulf of Mexico. The PO told me that it was completely submerged in brackish hurricane water for several days during Katrina which was one of our record setting storms in the US hence the 'Ropacane name of this thread. He had just moved to the area a month prior to the storm and his house and all his possessions were completely destroyed.

I will go ahead and bite the bullet on the new 365.