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Offline jbcollier

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1830 on: Saturday,November 19, 2022, 07:05:42 AM »
The stock mechanical pump is a low pressure, diaphragm pump.  No need for a regulator.  Not a bad idea to check the pressure with a gauge to be sure though.

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1831 on: Saturday,November 19, 2022, 08:44:41 AM »
  (BDA asked if JB’s comment that he’d seen lots of problems with separate pressure regulators if he was referring to fuel pressure regulators)
   Correct , fuel pressure regulator …
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That solidifies my negative opinion of them then. Thanks for the confirmation.

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1832 on: Saturday,November 19, 2022, 03:43:54 PM »
Fairly far down the page this Europa has electric A/C DMan...made me think of your heating system...

https://blackshadowmotors.com/home/restoration/completed-cars/73-lotus-europa/
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1833 on: Saturday,November 19, 2022, 04:47:41 PM »
  Turbo,
Thanks for posting that. I’m at the sorting out section - location and wire runs.  Fabricating AC lines .
TBD - To Be Determined. Lol that’s an acronym for MC Donald Douglas aircraft corporation. I guess I can use it as I progress to the dashboard and window install.

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1834 on: Sunday,November 20, 2022, 12:35:33 AM »

  The typo and all other marking on the carb are just not there , I’ll post more pics of the carb soon.


Remove a brass cover and take a pic of the progression holes.
That's where a lot of the differences reside.


Then the crossflow has no mechanical pump yet . It even looks like the lobe on the cam is not there.  I’m assuming it had a plunger type regulator and I just can’t see the lift. I’ll put a dial indicator on it soon. 🥱


My 844 (EFI) engine has no provision for a mechanical pump on the head and no lobe on the cam, either.
Were the 843 Turbo engines similar?


Some Weber OEM's show two "Typo" numbers in sequence. I think the R12 Gordini is such a case. All it means in this instance was for the factory to be able to differentiate between front and rear carb in terms of some fittings. The jetting etc. is the same.

My original tame R16-TS engine ran 2 x Weber 40DCOE's which came originally from an Elan. It ran great and with rather impressive fuel economy as well.

Later, I extensively drove a mates more powerful 1647 crossflow engine with  2 x Weber 45DCOE's. It also ran great but the economy wasn't as good and it had a bit of a stumble going onto the main jets. I expect both aspects could have been improved with a little tuning diligence.

I still reckon the sweet spot for most of us is 40's and have a set of the older Dellorto 40 DHLA's just to try something different.

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1835 on: Sunday,November 20, 2022, 05:52:40 AM »
I'm happily running a pair of Dell 40DHLA-Es on my 1565 crossflow: pulls strong, great part throttle economy and no flat spots.

R12G 807-20 specs:  Weber 45DCOE-38 and 45DCOE-39

34mm chokes
mains 125
air corrector 200
idle 55
accel nozzles 35
accel inlet 50
accel travel 10mm
needle and seat 1.5mm

Emulsion tube and idle jet holder is not listed (?) but I looked in my other books and found:

Renault R12G specs:  Weber 45DCOE-68  45DCOE-69

Same as above except

aux venturi 4.5
emulsion tube F9
mains 135
idle 55f8
accel nozzles 45
accel inlet 60
float level 7mm

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1836 on: Tuesday,January 03, 2023, 02:32:39 PM »
  Thanks John, someone else was looking for those also. they seem to pertain to his problem.

  What I want to share is that I'm back in my garage.
 
    From my anniversary, November until after new years I can't do anything. stay tuned.
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1837 on: Sunday,February 05, 2023, 04:56:54 PM »
  I finally caught up with most of my projects to find the time to sand down the bonnet and polish it back up . A perfect rainy day. It’s been over 4 months since I did not like the reflection from the shrinkage of the clear coat again.  Working with the veil solution and both the composite and the continuous strand are yielding very nice results.
   With this and other projects out of the way I can settle back into this project. Funny thing I walked past the last pic and nearly lost my balance. 😃
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1838 on: Sunday,February 05, 2023, 05:11:12 PM »
Very nice!! It's about time for you to start spending some time on your baby!

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1839 on: Sunday,February 05, 2023, 05:26:09 PM »
 BDA ,  I nearly passed out when my wife said to get it done.🥲 maybe I can make a car show in April.
 
   It’s probably going to be short lived when the temps drop again on Saturday, that means back into the attic laying down insulation. This time going for 21 batts.
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1840 on: Sunday,February 05, 2023, 05:56:04 PM »
Alright! Time to get the wrenches out!  :pirate:

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1841 on: Sunday,February 05, 2023, 10:53:01 PM »
I nearly passed out when my wife said to get it done.🥲 maybe I can make a car show in April.

That means it's on your Honey Do list now, so it has to take priority....😉

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1842 on: Monday,February 06, 2023, 06:14:50 AM »
  Lol, You must know it’s power!
  Must have been a sudden glitch. There will be plausible deniability I’m sure.
 
  The honey do list is endless.

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1843 on: Thursday,February 16, 2023, 05:54:34 PM »
  Well , no glitch yet as long as I listen to a small list of things to do.
 
   My carbs have been in for awhile, along with the soft mounts and a dual webers linkage assembly.
Instead of just mocking up things I got down to removing the one intake and carb to put on the base gaskets. After about an hour I found out there is a difference in the two and as fate would have it , the one I put on all ready belonged in the back. Then after removing it again I found a problem with a water jacket hole drilled through the base of the manifold. I thought I could put a different gasket on it to cover the hole but no joy there either.  Then the saga with the m7 base bolt’s into head. The bolts I purchased were not threaded all the way so I’ll have to tap them and cut to size.
 I can either weld it up or tap and plug the hole. Why would someone do that?
   Then I noticed the manifold and the head need some blueprinting.
  Well I have a starting point for tomorrow.

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1844 on: Friday,February 17, 2023, 05:40:25 AM »
Nice work bench
The more I do the more I find I need to do....remember your ABC’s …anything but chinesium!