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Garage / S1/S2 Front Brake Calipers. Were they 12 or 14?
« Last post by 314159td on Tuesday,May 21, 2024, 08:00:12 PM »
For the longest time I assumed that my Europa had Girling type 12 calipers, as peering behind/under the wheel revealed only one clamping bolt on the bottom, like a type 12. Little did I know, there's something between the 2 bolt type 12s and the 4 bolt type 14s: three bolt type 14 (14p?) They have 48mm pistons, like a 14 would.

I went to remove the front calipers so I can bug my rebuilder, and found these. Googling the casting number got me to an FVP rebuilt caliper that's listed as fitting all Series 1 and 2 Europas (67-71). It also lists a 48mm piston, so some parts directory definitely has type 14 listed as fitting early Europas.

I'm trying to ascertain if my car left the factory like this, because it seems that it did. They looked a little tight around the dust shield (probably designed for 12 and the same part as a Mk1 or 2 Spitfire), but fit just fine. I don't see any evidence of mucking with the brakes or plumbing or etc.
The only place I've seen it mentioned that the early Europas used type 12 calipers are on forums including this one. That finally took me to the obvious solution of pulling up the parts book, which shows type 14s as being for a Series 1 (and 2) car. The pistons listed, 36J6000, are 48mm type 14 pistons.

Given all that, I'm fairly certain that not all (any?) early cars rolled out of the factory with type 12 calipers.  My concerns of overbraking the fronts by installed 14s are also likely unfounded in that case.
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Garage / Re: Europa TCST
« Last post by TurboFource on Tuesday,May 21, 2024, 06:24:16 PM »
Kendo,
It is the same 1/4” closed cell adhesive backed neoprene foam I bought off Amazon
to use for the chassis insulation …. I made a “seal” for my steering shaft with it too.
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Garage / Re: front brake lockup
« Last post by 314159td on Tuesday,May 21, 2024, 05:41:37 PM »
Willwood reply:

Troy,

I see no issue with you installing the proportioning valve backwards to reduce front lockup. A better option would be to use a balance bar with two different size single master cylinders, but you probably don’t have room for that either.

Just for my own information, what are the specs on the original Girling calipers used on these cars? Piston size? Mounting bolt spacing? Rotor thickness?

Wilwood has our own copies of several Girling calipers, but I do not know how close they are to the one Lotus uses.

Having popped a rubber brake line in traffic on a single circuit master cylinder car once, I hope you are at least upgrading to braided stainless flexlines.

Bryan
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Garage / Re: It's not easy being green - 1971 TC
« Last post by Cheguava on Tuesday,May 21, 2024, 02:56:42 PM »
Back from South Yorks in time for a quick hour in the garage. Windscreen spray nozzle out, followed by heater. Hoses absolutely shot, one tore as I was wiggling it free. Will be replacing every rubber hose and bush though, so no disaster. Heater looks like it might be OK with a deep clean and a flush or two, but the gunge in the pipe running down from the heater will also need a thorough clear out. Still, will be easier to access it with the body off.
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Garage / Re: Europa TCST
« Last post by Kendo on Tuesday,May 21, 2024, 02:29:05 PM »
Turbo, what material did you use for that hose seal? I want to make some, too.
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Members Cars / Re: 65/0167R
« Last post by Bainford on Tuesday,May 21, 2024, 12:08:20 PM »
Welcome to the forum, Jon. Congrats on your first Lotus, though the Westfield XI sounds pretty cool, too. While appeasing our thirst for Europa photos, a snap of the XI won't go amiss, either. Best of luck with your Lotus. Cheers  :beerchug:
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Garage / Re: front brake lockup
« Last post by jbcollier on Tuesday,May 21, 2024, 09:22:15 AM »
I think 7/8" rear cylinders from a Morgan +4 will work.  I have a pair lying around I plan on trying to fit sometime this year.


I'm not a fan of mismatching components and then using a funky valve to try and sort it.  Adjustable proportioning valves are not meant for street cars.
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Garage / Re: What are we missing, what should I make on a VMC?
« Last post by jbcollier on Tuesday,May 21, 2024, 09:12:44 AM »
 Same/similar filter used in V12 Jags, Triumph TR7s, etc.
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Garage / Re: It's not easy being green - 1971 TC
« Last post by Cheguava on Tuesday,May 21, 2024, 07:32:42 AM »
Sunny morning in Yorkshire (as usual) so sacked the garage off and cleaned up the plenum flanges for the eyeball vents and the front number "plate" letters and numbers in the sunshine. Good to be able to salvage the odd metallic item. Flanges came up well  but will need a polish to shine properly, and the letters and numbers will  need a coat of paint I think. Looks like these were silver.

Now got to break off and deliver my camper to eldest child who has a mould issue in her rented house. Don't these people know I'm busy?  :FUNNY:
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Garage / Re: front brake lockup
« Last post by 314159td on Monday,May 20, 2024, 11:51:20 PM »
I just went and shot Wilwood an email asking basically to confirm those assumptions. Will post their response if/when it comes.
Thankfully, a larger bore master cylinder is the one thing that's easy to find among this mess of part numbers.

Thanks for the lead on ANG, I saw Rimmer got them in stock as well, but at atrocious prices.
May go the rebuild route instead, as the 14s are also a bit heavier. No sense in adding mass (and unsprung!) to something that's already overkill. My Europa has a back exit on the calipers, which I haven't seen on a Girling before. Unsure if there's a reason for that? Seems like it would make bleeding maybe easier? Haven't dug into the front suspension yet.
 
Just need a spare set of pistons sitting on the shelf, in case they're ever gone-gone.

Hopefully those thoughts and Willwood's response may be helpful to someone in the future regardless.
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