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Lotus Europa Forums => Classifieds Forums => FS/WTB: Europa Parts and Stuff => Topic started by: Rmvr53 on Wednesday,July 15, 2015, 09:56:18 PM
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just picked up a pair of Europas - a 65 and a 74. No engines or gearboxes were included. I'm thinking Kent 1600 for engines but need gearboxes. Anyone have a 356 and TC adapter plate or a 365 needing a new home? I'm located in the Denver, CO area 80138
thanks
Bill
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:Welcome:
Just making sure you know that the Kent engine doesn't require an adapter plate but only a bell housing. Also I assume you're asking for those trannies because your frames have the rear tranny pickup tube for those. Mixing trannies and frames requires fabrication.
Good luck and post some pictures when you get a chance!
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Bill, you said 356, but did you mean 352 (4-speed)?
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correct - still learning - I have attached a pic of the lower / rear mount. Actually, I only need one box. The other chassis is a bit unique in that is has a removable rear bulkhead - much like an FF or FB car - As this is/was/will be a race car I'm guessing a PO modified it for a Hewland
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looks like a 336 to me
jack
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your right - ears are up so I guess I need a 336 and a TC bellhousing - correct?
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It looks like a 336 mount to me also. I just happen to have a complete 336 tranny and TC bell housing from a parted out TC that I may sell. I've attached some pictures. The first one is from a wrecked S2 showing the rear tranny mount for a 336. The second an third are the 336 and TC bell housing. Sorry for the crappy pictures. It's currently raining in July in sunny San Diego
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if you decide to sell , let me know! Here or PM is fine. I changed the name of the post as well to reflect what I'm supposed to be asking for!
thanks
Bill
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Gee wiz, Joji! I knew you collected Europas but I didn't know you collected trannies, too! Let me guess, you also collect engines... :welder:
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If you're willing to do a local pickup, I'll sell both for $500 for the bell housing and $200 for the 336. I shipped two trannies in the past and I swore that I would never do that again. Plus I don't have the time to crate them up.
BDA, the stuff you pick up over the years, it's time to let them go to people who may need the parts. And yeah, I have a few engines ;)
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I have finally started getting rid of some of the Lotus parts I haven't needed since I got my car together fifteen years ago! However, I did sell my spare twincam engine and 365 tranny a long time ago. I had no place to put them! Having lots of space is a blessing and a curse!
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appreciate the offer but your a bit of a distance to do a pickup.
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Well, when things slow down for me later on this year, I may reconsider crating the tranny for shipping. The offer will still be open so when the time comes that you really need the tranny, send me a reminder. Also, if you're willing to pay the cost, I can look into having a UPS store package the unit for shipping.
Joji Tokumoto
Fallbrook, Ca
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well, I got a "new" chassis for the project so I'm guessing I'm back to needing a 352 or 365? (tranny ears go down)
Bill
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FYI - the 365 rear hoop that picks up the rear of the tranny is flattened rather than curved (if you catch my drift). There is a tranny mounting adapter that is bolted to the end of the tranny and to the rear hoop through holes directly in the hoop. In other words, it doesn't have ears. See the picture below. The top hoop, labeled '10' (if you can read it), is for the 365. It and the hoop below it, labeled '9' are both for 352 trannies. Maybe the fact that the 352 bolts to either the same hoop as the 365 or a hoop with ears is confusing you - it confuses me, but I don't have any experience with the 352.
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Thanks BDA - yes the center diagram is what my new chassis has. So I'm looking for a 352 then...
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You're welcome, Bill.
Somebody will have to tell you why the two different rear hoops for the same tranny. I suspect that the attachment is all that is different (i.e. when you use the top hoop with a 352, you have a mounting plate similar to a 365 and when you have the hoop with ears, it requires a different mount). Did you say you have a Spyder frame? If so or if you're doing a frame off, it would be a great time to choose an NG3. They are more current so parts are available and they are 5 speed.
This is all I was able to find about the 352 mounting plate. The one in the picture below looks like it would be used with the top hoop (that is also used for the 365). I don't know how it mounts to rear hoop with ears.
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its not a spyder - its a "home made" replica of a stock chassis made up by a couple of friends for his car restoration that never happened. The chassis ended up on the wall in his shop (almost 20 years ago). If there is a down-side to the chassis it weighs about 75-100 pounds more than a stock chassis. Buts its really stiff. Since the car is going to be a vintage racer, I have to stay "stock" on most components. Even my original idea of a Kent engine wont be acceptable so I'm going to have to find a correct Renault engine for a 71 S2.
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75 - 100 lbs heavier than stock is a lot! It had better be stiff! :)
If you have to stay "stock", then you'll need to find a 336 tranny since two versions of that are all I see listed for the S2 in the parts manual (336.46 and 336.56). Just so you know, the parts manual also shows ears going up on the frame.
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they forgot to add "lightness"...
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Yes, Chunky would not be pleased! :D
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ears do go up on the frame that is in the car but the new chassis they go down. Items such as tranny, brakes, even the engine and etc can be different from original so long as they are of original period and manufacture. In this case, since Renault was the original manufacturer I can run the 352 as opposed to the 336. 1972 SCCA PCS specifies the engine manufacturer and displacement but not the transmission. Just the clutch disk diameter, ratios and number of gears.
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Thanks for the clarification. It reminds me about a guy who raced a TC when I raced back in the dark ages. The TC was in the same class as 240Zs (and later, the 260Zs and 280Zs). He felt the deck was stacked against him (so did I, Jensen Motors successful car notwithstanding) and he lobbied to be allowed to use the BDA head (16 valve twincam Ford motor built on a Kent block like the TC) since it was essentially the next iteration of the TC. Of course he was turned down for at least one good reason - there was never a Europa from the factory with a BDA motor! I guess he had to try!
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I just re-read the PCS and indeed it doesn't specify the manufacturer. So in theory I could run a Hewland 4 speed but it is probably one of those rules that if it doesn't specifically say you can, then you can't....
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As I said, it's been a LONG time, but I think I remember that if something wasn't prohibited, it's allowed. It might be something worth getting a ruling on that.
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Bill,
I am restoring a 67 S1A Europa and thinking about putting in a 1600 x-flow push rod Kent engine. Did you do any measurement to see if it fits? I have a spare 711M Kent engine in shop so I can use it if it works. I think the S1 and S2 frames are very similar. Do you have a spare stock S2 frame that you are not going to use? My S1 frame has rust in many places and a replacement will be needed. By the way, Come up and see my Europa project in Fort Collins.