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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1050 on: Monday,June 01, 2020, 01:59:45 PM »
Dakazman all you have to do is go sit at her machine and say "how does this darn thing work?"
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1051 on: Monday,June 01, 2020, 02:22:12 PM »
 :FUNNY:
  i really believe she has union work rules and i do enjoy all the meals she cooks. :headbanger:i i cant poke the tiger to much... I'll try it anyway.
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1052 on: Monday,June 01, 2020, 03:11:39 PM »
Thanks BDA, It wasn’t that bad , I sanded with a high speed grinder with 60 grit . The trick is to bend the foam slightly when sanding and to keep your gyro going at all times as to proper orientation.
  Took out the ashtray today and fabricated a close out panel at the exhaust pipe area. It will also help mounting the license plate.

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1053 on: Thursday,June 04, 2020, 12:01:41 PM »
  Raining for the last 4 days so I pick and choose, what to do next! I needed to place most of the crossflow engine parts on the engine to determine where the exhaust manifold will go after I found it not available from the usual vendors. With a starting point of 1-3/8” pipes in mind, local shops mentioned 1-1/2” was the smallest diameter pipe available. Starting with a base 1/4” steel plate I traced out the outline of the exhaust manifold. Finding the oval exhaust ports are approximately
4-1/2 “ diameter the 1-1/2” pipe fits on the Slightly larger side when Formed into a oval so off I went forming something.
So moving along I was reading a new members ,MRN I J , post , and wow what a coincidence , allmost the same design. Let you know after I make the rest of the cuts . A/C compressor should have plenty of room above exhaust.
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1054 on: Thursday,June 04, 2020, 12:14:48 PM »
Have you tried to talk to Michel at AlpineAmerica (http://www.alpine-america.qc.ca)? I would think he'd either have a set of headers for you or be able to make up a set for you...

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1055 on: Thursday,June 04, 2020, 03:16:49 PM »
  Thanks BDA, I'll send him a message.
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1056 on: Thursday,June 04, 2020, 04:05:03 PM »
It might be best to translate your email into French using google translate. He speaks English but his accent is very thick.

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1057 on: Thursday,June 04, 2020, 06:51:40 PM »
   Yes very much so BDA, I have conversed with him before.  I didn’t know google could do that.
A lot of his parts listed are directly from Meccaparts downtown the part numbers and pictures. However anything I can do to speed up this build is welcome.

  I also purchased a book to read on exhaust and intake design suggested by JB . Welding up a header shouldn’t be that difficult . I did work at a Meineke muffler shop just to help the owner out years ago.

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1058 on: Thursday,June 04, 2020, 07:14:07 PM »
If you're competent to build your own headers, search for "header modeling kits." You snap together plastic bends and straights to give you the lengths and the fit you want. Then you cut the tubing to match the plastic pieces and weld it together. Easy for me to say!  :)

Your goal should be to do a better job than was done on the Gurney Weslake F1 headers. See the attached pictures.

Notice that they are made of titanium, there are no joints and that none of the runners touch. But they were made way back in 1967 so there must be some improvement you can make!
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1059 on: Friday,June 05, 2020, 02:21:16 AM »
  Raining for the last 4 days so I pick and choose, what to do next! I needed to place most of the crossflow engine parts on the engine to determine where the exhaust manifold will go after I found it not available from the usual vendors. With a starting point of 1-3/8” pipes in mind, local shops mentioned 1-1/2” was the smallest diameter pipe available. Starting with a base 1/4” steel plate I traced out the outline of the exhaust manifold. Finding the oval exhaust ports are approximately
4-1/2 “ diameter the 1-1/2” pipe fits on the Slightly larger side when Formed into a oval so off I went forming something.
So moving along I was reading a new members ,MRN I J , post , and wow what a coincidence , allmost the same design. Let you know after I make the rest of the cuts . A/C compressor should have plenty of room above exhaust.
Dakazman

this bunch of bananas is what replaced the log manifold a year after that picture, it hasn't been used for 25 years, I was fairly disapointed to find that the primary's aren't all the same length, however with reasonably current thinking that different lengths (about 4 ins IIRC) broaden the torque curve.
The flange was matched with the port, however from personal experience with 1950s Aston engines and consulation with our head guy at the time (ex Cosworth dfv), a mismatch is required with the flange being at least 3mm larger than the port but don't enlarge the port, on an Aston making the port the same size as the flange cost us 20 to 30 hp on a 2.922 ltr 1/2 race engine or 4/ 5 hp per pot.
I cut the flange off & fitted the manifold with a larger bore flange.
The manifold & box fitted under the luggage box, the only downside ? was that after switching off the engine the unburnt fuel used to explode 30 seconds to 2 minutes after depending on hard you had driven it.
It caused a few hard looks by the armed police at Birmingham airport, they reached for their machine guns after the bang
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Regards Chris

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1060 on: Friday,June 05, 2020, 04:09:31 AM »
  Thanks for the info and pics all.
The lower pics confirmed my second design of joining cylinders 1/2 and 3/4 since those cylinders are at TDC and BDC which would continue the flow. Live and learn .
  Four tubes  :headbanger: Maybe if running open headers directly up and out the engine cover .
  Dakazman
 

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1061 on: Friday,June 05, 2020, 05:21:00 AM »
on a 4 cyl you can use a 4 into 2 into 1 or a 4 into 1 as I have, not much room for a 4 into 2 into 1 if using correct length primary's unless you use a transverse silencer, which all adds more weight.
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other cars inc wifes cars
Aston Martin DB MkIII DHC (wifes)
Aston Martin DB2 Saloon (shared)
MkI Austin Cooper S with less than 50k miles on it
Oldest existing LR Discovery S3, one of 1st 125 hand built cars
Peugeot 406 with less than 55k miles on it

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1062 on: Friday,June 05, 2020, 07:02:47 AM »
Richard makes a cross-flow header.  I have one.  It isn't cheap but it is very well made.

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1063 on: Friday,June 05, 2020, 07:59:51 AM »
  JB,  Well that’s great news, at least know I’m not build an engine I can’t get an exhaust system for. Again thanks for the help all😀.
I have another question then about your A/C system. I’m looking at kits for an underdash , all parts from the same vendor, did you go that route or were all components sourced separately?
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #1064 on: Friday,June 05, 2020, 09:03:05 AM »
Mine is an S1 and there just isn't any room to spare for behind the dash system.  I located my evaporator where the spare tire sits.  At least one person has successfully put a behind the dash unit in an S2/TC (can't remember which but they are similar in dash layout).

Under the dash units leave no room for knees or legs.