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Offline Gmg31

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Electric Europa.
« on: Friday,May 15, 2020, 02:47:22 PM »
Hi everyone.  I’ve been quiet for a while enjoying my car, but I’m about to start a new project and wondered what people’s views were.

Has anyone built an electric Europa?
is is practical?
Is it heresy?

I’ll start a whole new thread tomorrow. 

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Re: Electric Europa.
« Reply #1 on: Friday,May 15, 2020, 03:20:55 PM »
Welcome back, Gmg31! I'm glad you're enjoying your car!

I've heard of several different engine swaps but never have heard of a running electric Europa. I heard Richard Winters said the best Europa he ever built was with the guts of a Smart Car. That was some time ago though.

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Re: Electric Europa.
« Reply #2 on: Friday,May 15, 2020, 04:37:45 PM »

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Re: Electric Europa.
« Reply #3 on: Friday,May 15, 2020, 05:47:46 PM »
The previous owner of my S1 wanted to convert it to electric. He was going to drape solar panels on the car to power itself for his 1 mile commute from his house to his work shop.

I am a fan of the music of combustion and plan to put a motorcycle engine that revs to 14k in it instead :)

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Re: Electric Europa.
« Reply #4 on: Saturday,May 16, 2020, 04:58:59 AM »
Corded or battery??     :FUNNY:

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Re: Electric Europa.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday,May 16, 2020, 05:35:33 PM »
It may be heresy but perhaps it's an idea who's time has come (so long as you start with the right car and don't destroy a currently road worthy example). Seems like it will take extra engineering due to the rear suspension set up. How much space will the batteries eat up? How much weight for the batteries? I look forward to seeing what you come up with.

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Re: Electric Europa.
« Reply #6 on: Sunday,May 17, 2020, 02:02:34 AM »
Seeing and hearing an electric Europa sounds like an accident waiting to hit a pedestrian.

A great part of the driving experience is the exhaust note.

Watching electric GP racing is just boring for me. Even the restriction the modern turbos make on the exhaust note removes part of the thrill of watching a GP live. The start when 20 roar off from the grid shakes the seats in the stadium, and gets louder for a few seconds as they apply more power.

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Re: Electric Europa.
« Reply #7 on: Sunday,May 17, 2020, 08:37:21 AM »
Thank you all for your views and advice.  I couldn’t just own an electric Lotus. If I convert this car it will be alongside my other cars.  Sometimes I just want to do suff like that for the challenge and the exclusivity. 

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Re: Electric Europa.
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday,May 19, 2020, 08:53:29 AM »
I got a reply from a company that specialises in electric classic car conversions.  They reckon £40-50k conversion cost.  Wow.  That’s a no from me then.

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Re: Electric Europa.
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday,May 19, 2020, 08:55:19 AM »
50k would buy you a dfv...

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Re: Electric Europa.
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday,May 19, 2020, 11:36:32 AM »
When Prince Harry got married, he drove off from the wedding reception with Megan in a LHD electric E Type Jaguar.

I believe they are making them again.

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Re: Electric Europa.
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday,May 19, 2020, 02:59:07 PM »
A great idea. The thing is the secondhand market for the batteries and motor gear there is just not enough so the kit is expensive.  I would worry about the gearbox anyhow. With the torque of an electric motor don’t think the gearbox would last long
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Re: Electric Europa.
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday,June 02, 2020, 10:46:41 PM »
Found this website with an electric Europa:
http://jmorgan.com/lotus-europa-ev.html#

Looks to be a very nice restoration of the car itself. The motor part looks OK, but I seem to remember (but can't find the description anywhere) that the chosen batteries are not the most effective.

10 years ago, I was planning to do an electric conversion, either of a Renault Avantime or Renault Vel Satis, both cars that were never sold in Denmark. But at the same time the EU rules were changed so that crash test and EMC test became mandatory, effectively putting a stop to peoples stupid ideas like that. I hope you are more lucky with the rules in the UK.
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Re: Electric Europa.
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday,June 03, 2020, 01:38:13 AM »
I did it to my Europa. Last year my Elan developed a problem with the clutch which meant I had to take out the engine. Not as easy as the Europa’s engine removal. Whilst the engine was out I was looking at the oily twinc and then at the electric motor in the Europa then back to the empty engine bay in the Elan. Well for the engineering challenge I decided to convert the Elan to electric. It took about a month but most of that time was waiting for the battery boxes to be fabricated. It worked and I was generally pleased with the conversion. I needed to up the voltage which meant another battery module (I was using Tesla model s modules). This meant more fabrication and more weight at the back. I was only using it locally so the range was fine (40 miles) so I didn’t bother.

 I mentioned it on the Elan forum and was roundly criticized.  I’m ok with it. I’m old enough and certainly ugly enough to take the flak. The best one was that Chapman would be rolling in his grave at the thought of all that extra “lightness”. Ironically it ended up being 50kg lighter! Breath easy purity fans, I’ve  just finished the the petrol restoration.  I purposely designed it so that no cars were harmed in the process and that everything would be reversible.

Back to the Europa. I only ran it a few times and the motor certainly was more suited to the lighter Europa. I’ve decided to up the power of the motor. There’s a chap near here who has a great YouTube channel which specializes in converting BMWs to electric drive with used EV components. He’s building me a Vehicle Control Unit (VCU)for a Nissan Leaf motor and inverter. I have a Leaf motor and have tried it in the engine bay. I was abit nervous because the Leaf motor is bigger than my previous motor. However, to my surprise it fits in between the two original motor mounts. Indeed one of the mounting holes lines up with one on the motor! The VCU requires only 12v in, ground, 5v to an accelerator pedal and return. It also needs a fair bit of programming which I will have to learn. Everything is open source and published online.

Why bother? I like the challenge and it’s my car. Like the Elan, everything is reversible.

 Someone mentioned pedestrians getting run over. Like a lot of stuff surrounding electric vehicles, this is abit of a myth perpetuated by the press and traditional motor industry. By EU rules new EVs have to make a noise to warn pedestrians. This does not apply to hybrids or modern internal Combustion Engine cars which can be as quiet AT slow speeds. Every year the tram company in Dublin shows dashcam footage from the previous year showing pedestrians stepping out in front of their trams. A number of things are common throughout. No one is looking where they are going, most are looking at their phones and almost all of them are wearing noise cancelling headphones. The trams have a loud bell to warn of their approach. An artificial noise from a car is not going to make a difference. What it does do is make EVs unpalatable to the general buying public. I have a Tesla Model 3 and I love it. I don’t care what noise it makes outside.

A Europa is a perfect candidate. It’s small, very light and very aerodynamic. The strength of the original gearbox is a concern but the beauty of the electric motor is that it can spin in both directions quite happily. Therefore a different gearbox could be used and you wouldn’t have to swap the crown wheel over.

I’d be happy to talk through it with anybody who’s interested away from the forum. PM me.


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Re: Electric Europa.
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday,June 03, 2020, 03:30:06 AM »
Would love to see pics of your conversions!
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