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Title: E - brake and other questions..
Post by: TurboFource on Thursday,September 30, 2021, 03:59:22 PM
I have seen some complaints about the Europa emergency brakes. Is the problem
there is not enough travel in the system so the amount of "slack" is critical or is it hard to pull
the handle to engage the brakes? I figured while the car is still apart I should address any concerns with
this system.

Am I correct that the front brakes, trunnions, ball joints and tie rod ends etc. are off a Spitfire?

So many things still to be done......... :deadhorse:
Title: Re: E - brake and other questions..
Post by: 4129R on Friday,October 01, 2021, 08:02:01 AM
The rear brake shoes and the whole hand braking system have to be properly adjusted and in excellent working order for the brake to have any noticeable effect.

There is very limited travel on the handle you pull, that is on a 5.5:1 reduction lever, so there is very little actual movement going down 2 cables to move the lever to operate the brake shoes.

Adjusting the slack in the cable is a "challenge".

The front suspension/steering  is mostly Triumph Spitfire/Herald.
Title: Re: E - brake and other questions..
Post by: jbcollier on Friday,October 01, 2021, 08:08:23 AM
If you leave off the “etc”* then, yes, it is mostly Spitfire Mk1.


* what you listed, yes.  Anything else (arms, bushings, shocks, springs), no.
Title: Re: E - brake and other questions..
Post by: jbcollier on Friday,October 01, 2021, 08:37:36 AM
The main problem with the e-brake system is poor mechanical advantage.  As built, you lose mechanical advantage as the handle is pulled.  You can see that here:

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Lotus-Europa/i-HTZxsr2/0/D/i-HTZxsr2-D.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Lotus-Europa/i-JGVKjFN/0/D/i-JGVKjFN-D.jpg)
Title: Re: E - brake and other questions..
Post by: jbcollier on Friday,October 01, 2021, 08:45:08 AM
What I did was completely rework the system to move the pull-handle out of the way, and, to have maximum mechanical advantage at full extension.  You’ll need the opposite main lever to what you have now to move it into the passenger compartment like this:

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Lotus-Europa/i-7cfKc95/0/D/i-7cfKc95-D.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Lotus-Europa/i-JZ4NsLD/0/D/i-JZ4NsLD-D.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Lotus-Europa/i-QnNpM5B/0/D/i-QnNpM5B-D.jpg)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/Lotus-Europa/i-mQWgbTh/0/D/i-mQWgbTh-D.jpg)
Title: Re: E - brake and other questions..
Post by: TurboFource on Friday,October 01, 2021, 12:17:25 PM
JB ...the pics are huge and I am having trouble seeing what you did.....as I have to keep scrolling back and forth up and down etc
Title: Re: E - brake and other questions..
Post by: jbcollier on Friday,October 01, 2021, 01:36:11 PM
Sorry, I’m not at home and working from a tiny phone screen.  Try downloading them and see if that helps.
Title: Re: E - brake and other questions..
Post by: jbcollier on Friday,October 01, 2021, 01:46:48 PM
Here’s the relevant links:

https://jbcollier.smugmug.com/Lotus-Europa/i-HTZxsr2

https://jbcollier.smugmug.com/Lotus-Europa/i-JGVKjFN

https://jbcollier.smugmug.com/Lotus-Europa/i-7cfKc95

https://jbcollier.smugmug.com/Lotus-Europa/i-JZ4NsLD

https://jbcollier.smugmug.com/Lotus-Europa/i-QnNpM5B

https://jbcollier.smugmug.com/Lotus-Europa/i-mQWgbTh
Title: Re: E - brake and other questions..
Post by: TurboFource on Friday,October 01, 2021, 01:57:19 PM
Thanks JB....will give it a shot later this evenin
Title: Re: E - brake and other questions..
Post by: TurboFource on Saturday,October 02, 2021, 04:52:36 AM
JB... in the first two pics the original setup is still there?

Any trouble reaching over the tunnel to pull your e-brake?
Title: Re: E - brake and other questions..
Post by: jbcollier on Saturday,October 02, 2021, 07:24:33 AM
Yes, the first two pictures show how mechanical advantage reduces the further the handle moves out.

I find the relocated lever is very easy to reach.  Actually easier than the stock location.
Title: Re: E - brake and other questions..
Post by: TurboFource on Saturday,October 02, 2021, 02:44:45 PM
Thanks JB, I will have to look at this closer....I would like the thing to actually work ???
Title: Re: E - brake and other questions..
Post by: TurboFource on Tuesday,October 05, 2021, 06:17:02 PM
JB pointed out the farther the e-brake arm travels the less effective it is.

So I lengthened the arm so it moves farther in the initial travel.... I calculate it
should move 47% farther but that also means it will be harder to pull. Will it
work..... :confused: If it doesn't it will be easy enough to put back to stock.
I lengthened the arm by the center distance between the e-brake slots so now the
cable will go through the other one.
Title: Re: E - brake and other questions..
Post by: BDA on Tuesday,October 05, 2021, 06:55:22 PM
Clever use of the right-hand drive side of the frame!  :beerchug:
Title: Re: E - brake and other questions..
Post by: jbcollier on Tuesday,October 05, 2021, 08:38:34 PM
Interesting.  Please let us know how it works out.
Title: Re: E - brake and other questions..
Post by: TurboFource on Wednesday,October 06, 2021, 12:13:56 PM
Will do JB....maybe next year (hopefully).