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Lotus Europa Forums => Classifieds Forums => FS/WTB: Europa Parts and Stuff => Topic started by: RoddyMac on Tuesday,October 23, 2018, 02:05:34 PM
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I'm looking for either a steering wheel hub or a complete wheel with hub to fit the Europa/Triumph column. I currently have a Mountney wheel and hub but the wheel is both too big and has cracked through two screw holes. The easy option is just to buy a smaller Mountney wheel, but I'm not too keen on their looks. So, I'm searching for either an OEM hub for the Europa (or Elan), a Grant/Momo/Astrali etc hub, or a complete but broken/split etc OEM Europa wheel. The plan is to build a wheel to suit my taste and size (water jet or laser cut the spokes and go from there, as I have done in the past for other projects). Again, I could use the existing Mountney hub, but it's too big for my liking.
Does anyone have something that might work?
Thanks,
Rod
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I have a stock Europa hub that had bent spokes. I drilled the rivets and tossed the rest. I'll take a pic tomorrow and see if it's what you are looking for. I found a new hub a couple of years ago mounted a nice flat bottom Sparco to it. Much nicer and easier to get in/out of. I'll look for the brand of hub if you want.
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Clifton,
A picture would be great! And if possible the brand of the hub you found.
Cheers,
Rod
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I got the hub from here. http://shop.vendio.com/crowderscustomizing/item/2041819695/?s=1333266963
It would be easier to email you the pics then uploaded them to post. If you want, you can pm me.
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Luisi makes a great hub...small and smart looking. About $50...matched to a Luisi wheel...ld
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Nice steering wheel Lou, what size is it , 12.45" or 13.4" ?
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Nice steering wheel Lou, what size is it , 12.45" or 13.4" ?
It's a 12.45 Luisi Sharay leather # 315... Got it from classicgarage.com on sale now ! $189
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Lou,
That is a nice wheel and roughly what I'd be attempting to build, I think I should stop being so cheap and just buy one.
Cheers,
Rod
Edit: I placed an order, thanks for the lead Lou!
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This is the 12 inch steering wheel and hub I’m installing in my 72 Europa when I complete the rebuild. It came from one of my Elans. Don’t know who makes it but it’s stamped “made in France”.
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Gosh, the one picture with your hand makes that wheel look 6 inches across. Must have come off a pedal car! :)
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Lou. Thanks for posting info on the Luisi steering wheel. Just ordered one
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Lou. Thanks for posting info on the Luisi steering wheel. Just ordered one
Your welcome, I know you will be happy as it is very well made. Another real benefit in the reduced size is the extra knuckle room towards the front windshield and it will be a lot easier getting in and out...
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Lou. Thanks for posting info on the Luisi steering wheel. Just ordered one
Another real benefit in the reduced size is the extra knuckle room towards the front windshield ...
A constant problem is seeing someone I know and taking my hand off the wheel to wave and smashing my hand against the windshield. It looks like I am doing some kind of limp wristed hand spasm gesture. I have a reduced size wheel also, I imagine the problem is worse with the original full size wheel.
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Hey Rod, Have you found anything for a steering wheel hub? Do you know Doug Holbrow? Last time I was at his place he had a whole bunch of wheel hubs, lots of various models, he might have something for you. He is out in Abbotsford.
Ross
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Ross,
I ended up ordering a Luisi wheel. I had forgotten about Doug, is he still running his parts shop (ex-Ruth at ABC)?
Rod
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Lotus Aficionados, I am the proud owner of Woodstock, a 1970 S2. I am nearing completion of a total mechanical (not body) restoration. I am 6'2" tall and 230 lbs. That's 2.44m and 104 kilos to most of the world. I am interested in a flip / tilt adapter for my steering wheel. My wife has already video'd me getting in the car. It is blackmail material. I am in need of specs in order to find an adapter that will work. I have not landed on a 5, 6, 9 or 11 bolt steering wheel. That is a non-technical decision to make. Do any of you have specs on the spline and / or recommendations of suppliers that will sell me a flip / tilt adapter with the correct fitment? There are lots of NON specific options. Thanks.
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Sorry I can’t help you with your steering wheel issues but I wanted to make sure I
:Welcome:
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Thanks BDA. It's the start of a new adventure.
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Hi, and another :Welcome:
Although not the Europa, there have been folks who have fitted QR steering wheels to their Elans and as it's basically the same column it should be transferable. Some old threads to give you ideas...
https://lotuselan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=19788 (https://lotuselan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=19788)
https://lotuselan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=991 (https://lotuselan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=991)
https://lotuselan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=22147 (https://lotuselan.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=22147)
Mostly old threads and some involve drastic mods where you weld the adapter in place, not something I'd be keen on doing personally. It might be worth checking the Triumph forums to see if there's anything available for the Spitfire/GT6 or anywhere that sells motorsport parts.
I don't know how the geometry is affected with the "weld on" options in the Elan threads but from what I've seen a Q/R wheel usually moves it back towards you so I'd check how much you could afford the wheel to come back or how much adjustment you have left before buying something.
The original owner of my car was apparently a tall guy and he fitted a small Astrali wheel so he could get in and out. When I got the car it was still fitted and I thought it was too small for the car but after a few miles it was ok - the steering isn't heavy on these cars and it worked out.
Brian
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Welcome!
First, next time start a new thread with a subject line that better matches your request. This will give you maximum exposure.
I have fitted two removable steering wheels now, one to my Europa, and the other to my Seven.
On the Europa, I went with the bolt-on solution. Lifeline makes a QR adapter for Moto Lita Steering wheels. It moves the steering wheel roughly 2" closer. It is a very simple install except for wiring up horn button.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-FjcbFdr/0/X5/i-FjcbFdr-X5.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-dd5bR9d/1/X5/i-dd5bR9d-X5.jpg)
I modified the horn wire from this:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-W7CXSr9/1/X5/i-W7CXSr9-X5.jpg)
And made up my own horn button with a spark plug boot, spring and brass nut:
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mxkdTSL/0/X5/i-mxkdTSL-X5.jpg)
It all work perfectly.
On the Seven, the horn button is on the dash and space is tight, so I went with a weld on system. I bought a used, upper, steering shaft section of the 'bay for the conversion. I modified an original steering wheel to keep it looking stock.
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-68j4DnK/0/X5/i-68j4DnK-X5.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-txFJGPr/0/X5/i-txFJGPr-X5.jpg)
Here's a video of removing and refitting the wheel. It really is as slick as that:
https://jbcollier.smugmug.com/Lotus-Seven-S3/i-FhtPvtf/A
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Look at Joes Racing removable steering wheel hub and spline adapter part #13405. You can adapt without welding, fits the stock steering shaft and the whole affair is very compact hidden behind the wheel trim ring. The only real mod is a needed drilled and tapped 1/4-20 bolt in the steering shaft to retain the adapter spline.
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Look at Joes Racing removable steering wheel hub and spline adapter part #13405. You can adapt without welding, fits the stock steering shaft and the whole affair is very compact hidden behind the wheel trim ring. The only real mod is a needed drilled and tapped 1/4-20 bolt in the steering shaft to retain the adapter spline.
Nice and easy. I started looking and they sell a 5 and 6 bolt adapter for Momo/Sparco wheels too.
https://www.joesracing.com/product/momo-quick-disconnect-adapter-ring/
Quick disconnect you posted
https://www.joesracing.com/product/quarter-midget-kart-steering-wheel-quick-disconnect/
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Thanks for all of your welcome notes. This is the first "forum" I have joined. I am trying on my teenager skill set after many years of adulting. You have inspired me to get better at it! ALSO, a note of thanks for your replies. It appears I have more options than I had imagined. I have some reading to do. I'll be heating up the credit card this weekend. Breaking out the tools will follow shortly thereafter. Now stop reading this stuff and get driving!
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I picked up a Joe's quarter midget quick release and Momo hub adapter. The 1/4 midget adapter is 3 x 1.5" bolt circle.
Quarter Midget steering wheels are 3 x 1.5" with 1/4" bolts. All other 3 bolt steering wheels are 3 x 1.75" with 5/16" bolts. Back to Summit it went. I did find this one for a micro 600.
https://www.hyperracing.com/Tri-Lock-Splined-QR-Hex-for-5-8-shaft
I finished putting my car back together and column in so I never ordered the Hyper racing one to verify.
It still needs a hole drilled and tapped in the center. It looks like the standard disconnect spline diameter too. The Joe's/Tanner quarter midget quick release was much smaller.
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With these quick release adaptors, how much closer does it bring the wheel?
I ask for two reasons:
1. My assumption is that the stalks will need to be bent to bring them back within reach.
2. A mate of mine had a dished steering wheel on his Europa and I found it decidedly more comfortable from and ergonomics point of view.
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If you fit an adapter between the steering wheel mount and the wheel itself, about an 1.5” or so. It you mate the w/r adapter to the wheel itself, then none.
The steering wheel and switch mount is adjustable on any Europa. It’s not easy to adjust but it can be done.
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The Joe's/Tanner 1/4 midget adapter and a 1/2" thick Amazon adapter that needs redrilled to 3x1.5" is about 1.5" thick. My non quick release Momo/Sparco adapter is 2.5" thick. With a slightly dished Sparco L360 wheel, my turn signal end is 2.25" to the back of the wheel. It isn't too much. Sliding the column in and out is easy enough to get the wheel to your liking.
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Thanks gents.
I adapted Triumph 2500 stalks to my S2 partly to ensure the horn operates 100% of the time but electric washers were welcome, too. Only later did I discover the TCS uses something similar.
These can be modified/bent by carefully extracting the splined stalks proper which are hollow to accommodate a wire for the end buttons. I can still adjust the column as per the stock provision, so I'll take a closer look. My stalks might now be a little short to accomodate a large gap easily.
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My S1 has probably crossed the border into resto-mod territory — though it wasn’t my intention at the start. It’s because I like to drive the thing too darn much. I found that working the throttle and brakes had my knee dimming the headlights. So, my stalks are gone. In their place are wireless buttons on the steering wheel. Works really, really well. But, as I said, crosses a line; lovely to drive though.
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Yeah, my knees hit things. I might be a bit pedantic but I also like things to feel right and work right.
I'm replacing the S2 firewall flush with the fibreglass instead of on top which will provide about 1/2 inch more rearward seat travel - I'm a bit over 6' 2" so everything helps. That, of course, will place me further from the steering wheel which is not helping and hence the interest in this.
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If you loosen the top two nuts on the column to dash mount and the clamp on the steering shaft, you can slide the steering wheel assembly much closer to the seat. Maybe 4" more. The clamp on the shaft will only let it go so far.
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Yep, I'll look at that, too, when everything is assembled.
What I'd really like is the steering column pointed straight ahead but that likely means introducing another joint and all the hassle associated with that.