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Lotus Europa Forums => Classifieds Forums => eBay - Craigslist Ads - Other Listings => Topic started by: FourLoti on Tuesday,May 23, 2023, 05:26:53 AM
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Pretty good bidding for this early in the auction - especially for a car that needs a windshield and rear window. Plus the correct mirrors. Pretty rough inside, except for the newer seat covers.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/364268246667?hash=item54d014568b%3Ag%3AVeUAAOSw%7EzRkam0m&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAA0KIQtloYisrDGwg3ZWXZojTXgSkhG0%2BFEgZFK9jP3dtxGf7JgzS13kgnVtpPJ2xk3WWQVX5wcFIFQcC7u%2F2NWnehE9g77f7UNq6Okc3Y3lIumWNw7HTWbopVb8cqncdkUvU1AkRcew35hFOBM%2B4gpvkGE4BpAOQHP3l1hX0FX3UuGJVN9Pz0LHqmrs49hNTzoQUdlboLbSKVMrasQonJBsdG7KLC%2BLQM8jm45PvSnWcrkO7OEVl1tq%2B7YNgqneUw%2FoWw2KwHBwsCdpsk0y%2Fnto8%3D%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR6aSvYqJYg&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500
Doesn't mention JPS, but the implication is there in the photos. Striping and side decal all wrong.
Also, if it were me, I think I'd stage this shot a bit differently :) "You're gonna need a bigger chain!"
Ron
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Yeah, that striping is a mess. The car seems a bit rough but should make a decent project. Good if it can be had for project money. A few dollars will be left on the table due to the lackluster presentation.
Oh wait; The ashtray is missing. So, maybe a parts car only, then ;) ;D
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Yeah, that striping is a mess. The car seems a bit rough but should make a decent project. Good if it can be had for project money. A few dollars will be left on the table due to the lackluster presentation.
Oh wait; The ashtray is missing. So, maybe a parts car only, then ;) ;D
I like that spark plug laying on the side next to the engine. Project money? I'm thinking the current bid is about all it's worth, or a grand or so more.
Some think they've struck gold finding one. I'd not spend more than 7 or 8K USD for this. Pretty rough (striping aside). If it's a 72, it's just a twin cam...not a special.
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The more I look, the worse it gets! Was it painted with a paint brush?
And is there any part of the behind dash wiring that hasn't been pulled out? Scary. But then again, the originality of the engine ground strap is a certainly picture-worthy. :)
Ron
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If it's a 72, it's just a twin cam...not a special.
First UK spec TC Special 72081783P.
First European spec TCS 72081101Q
First Federal spec TCS 72082684R
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$7,900 - and Reserve still on!
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So this is a TC invoiced around late March or early April 1972, weekend stripping job to make to look like a TCS, then slap on some side stickers to suggest a JPS. Sort of a wannabe, wannabe, never was, never was.
Does not state if boxed end wrench hanging off the alternator is included in the sale or not.
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I'll take back my 'what's she worth' estimate. No more than 5K. Not even CLOSE to being roadworthy with just some quick work (like 3291R was...in retrospect).
Sad that people let assets deteriorate like that. To me, that would be a body-off, year at the minimum. Ship the body out to shop for refinishing, work on the mechanicals while gone...but a year, at a minimum. And that would be assuming that refreshing would be just regasketing and such, not a complete strip and rebuild.
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No sale at $7,900. Delusional Seller Syndrome.
Ron
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Relisted! https://www.ebay.com/itm/364283872018?hash=item54d102c312%3Ag%3AVeUAAOSw%7EzRkam0m&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAsLcZqTmTQ0MKnzqbgbRId64lVhXloixzhG3rCg7hHU3GoCNlqN616evB%2BhitcYHQjUwkN1C2w7NNWzTNuieStBc2YjyBW9ZX18MrJZ3xC52oicvTIdnJW4cKuX7MZCGQ0LxW7bBaUx7zK6KRKz66cc7vzfsAAAnk4yP0pHecng7ZvXT0mPw8JpRGhIK9Y677A52LK9B7sSi5I51uRBOfKe2wTwRGY5P94YRoHx%2FbibvZ%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_jm46KPYg&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500
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There seems to be several things missing, i.e. door cards.
It needs a complete strip down, paint, a complete re-trim, and you end up with a 4 speed TC, not a EUROPA SPECIAL like it says on the engine cover.
$5-$6k IMHO.
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Well, the seller may be catching a break (at the expense of a "lucky" buyer.) This time it's made it to $8K, with more than a day to go. No reserve.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/364283872018?hash=item54d102c312%3Ag%3AVeUAAOSw%7EzRkam0m&amdata=enc%3AAQAIAAAAsLcZqTmTQ0MKnzqbgbRId64lVhXloixzhG3rCg7hHU3GoCNlqN616evB%2BhitcYHQjUwkN1C2w7NNWzTNuieStBc2YjyBW9ZX18MrJZ3xC52oicvTIdnJW4cKuX7MZCGQ0LxW7bBaUx7zK6KRKz66cc7vzfsAAAnk4yP0pHecng7ZvXT0mPw8JpRGhIK9Y677A52LK9B7sSi5I51uRBOfKe2wTwRGY5P94YRoHx%2FbibvZ%7Ctkp%3ABk9SR_jm46KPYg&LH_ItemCondition=3000%7C1000%7C2500
Ron
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I think it's a bit weird that there isnt an engine shot, but includes one with a plastic bag on the front suspension!
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Now it says it ended with no sale at $7,300!. That's weird because when I posted the update on Wednesday it really did show $8k and reserve off. Apparently, that bidder withdrew the $8K bid. (Perhaps when they saw they might actually end up with the thing?)
In any case, just proves once again that the Seller should have grabbed the $7,900 last time.
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Maybe the $8k bid was from a friend raising the price.
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Reposted at $9K on a "Buy It Now" set price.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/364304208114 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/364304208114)
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Aaaaannnnd it's back again. $9K BIN OBO.
Relisted a few hours after the $21K BAT sale. Coincidence?
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A little lost on why this car is getting so much flak. I have 0 experience with these cars, and was heavily considering this one to get into the marque with. It looks like a total restoration project to me, which is fine. Am I missing something here, or is the concensus just that it will need a lot of work? Would love to be enlightened if there is something that should make me look for another car. Thanks a ton
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A little lost on why this car is getting so much flak. I have 0 experience with these cars, and was heavily considering this one to get into the marque with. It looks like a total restoration project to me, which is fine. Am I missing something here, or is the concensus just that it will need a lot of work? Would love to be enlightened if there is something that should make me look for another car. Thanks a ton
It will need a complete strip down, new wiring loom, and probably a great deal more, and at the end, it will be a 1972TC, not a JPS TCS. That restricts its final value.
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Average value for a 72 project in this condition is about $4,600.
After you spend hundreds of hours and buckets of $$$ you will end up with a terrific 1972 Lotus Europa - that only you will appreciate. Cost wish you will be upside down forever - you'd be better served taking the money you'd spend to restore and buy an already restored car.
Famous British car restorer put it to me this way - if the car needs $10,000 and he does the work it costs $10,000 period, if you buy the car after the $10,000 has been done odds are it will only cost you $8,000.
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Average value for a 72 project in this condition is about $4,600.
After you spend hundreds of hours and buckets of $$$ you will end up with a terrific 1972 Lotus Europa - that only you will appreciate. Cost wish you will be upside down forever - you'd be better served taking the money you'd spend to restore and buy an already restored car.
Famous British car restorer put it to me this way - if the car needs $10,000 and he does the work it costs $10,000 period, if you buy the car after the $10,000 has been done odds are it will only cost you $8,000.
But if you are capable of doing all the mechanical/electrical work yourself, at least you will know everything vital and hard to get at later has been done, and done properly, (e.g. water pump, rubber hoses to heater, wiring loom) and the restoration will only cost you the parts if finances are limited.
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Yes, that's all true, and it's the reason I "overpaid" $9,400 for my "74 - doing everything myself. But it's a 2-owner original TCS and doesn't need paint, upholstery or wiring (nor a $1,000 windshield!)
But I don't think it's as much the car as the seller's strategy and poor presentation that's a turn off. It may or may not be the current seller's doing, but the horrible paint job, fake JPS decals and badging doesn't jive with asking a strong price. And it appears to have been stored in a field for some time!
Assuming they were legit bids, he/she turned down $7,900, and then $7,300. And now wants $9k. You're a project person (like most of us) so it might be a candidate, but not unless they take a much lower offer. It may take time, but there are probably better ones out there.
Ron
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I paid $10,000 for a TC basket case, in error.
It was attacked by severe metal worm.
It is now lovely, but still a 1972 TC.
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Just saw these responses, really appreciate the insight guys! I'll certainly have a go at it if we can meet at a number that makes a little more sense.
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Before jumping into a car with such, umm, odd character you may want to take a look at a couple further north that I posted in the last couple of days.
A bit more money but may also be a lot less work and associated expense?
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Aaaand, it's gone!
No longer on eBay, and doesn't show up on Sold or Completed lists. It was a 30-day auction so he must have just pulled it or sold it elsewhere.
Ron