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Title: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: spike_tt on Saturday,August 20, 2022, 04:51:04 AM
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/125471772057

Can't wait to see this show when it airs.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: Richard48Y on Saturday,August 20, 2022, 10:23:36 AM
Nice car, but I despise those air filters.
They tend to catch fire, and get sucked into the intake.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: S2Zetec54 on Saturday,August 20, 2022, 11:44:34 AM
…..good spot!

Will be great to see how they go about it
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: SwiftDB4 on Saturday,August 20, 2022, 12:42:37 PM
Nice car, but I despise those air filters.
They tend to catch fire, and get sucked into the intake.
I've used sock filters on my S1 for 48 years now. First on a Gordini and later on a Zetec engine both with Weber 45DCOE's. Fit them over the air horns and never had any fires or gotten sucked into the intake.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: Richard48Y on Saturday,August 20, 2022, 03:00:28 PM
Better luck than I had with my hot-rod Corvair.
After that I never used another set.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: jbcollier on Saturday,August 20, 2022, 05:24:25 PM
Depends on how wild your cam is and the harmonics of your intake.  On certain cars, full race D types for one, standard procedure is to stand by with a fire extinguisher on cold starts.  Full flame backfires through the carbs are not unusual.  Also some intake designs lead to a standing column of fuel/air mix upstream of the carb mouth.  This can lead to fuel impregnated filter socks.  Combine the two and you may have a nasty insurance claim.

I prefer a proper air box with the filter material some distance away.  I have seen too many partially digested foam filters for my tastes.

YMMV
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: BDA on Saturday,August 20, 2022, 05:52:11 PM
I'm happy with my K&N filters but I was surprised they didn't test very well - at least not in this test (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJ3L-E-ufYo). Those sock filters look a lot easier to deal with - especially on my car since the back two carb throats are a bit hard to get to because of the placement of my oil filter. I bet they flow great but I wonder how well they filter.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: jbcollier on Saturday,August 20, 2022, 05:59:02 PM
Nothing beats a folded paper filter for area and effectiveness.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: EuropaTC on Saturday,August 20, 2022, 10:21:58 PM
It looks like it's been sold, when I checked in the listing had "no longer available".  I'll also be interested when it's shown, will whoever spots it first do a heads-up post ?

Brian
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: 4129R on Sunday,August 21, 2022, 12:16:41 AM
It has been road taxed until 1st August 2023, and apparently its MOT test runs out on 17th August 2023.

So the new owner has put it on the road already.

But it is 52 years old, and cars over 40 years old don't need MOT testing, so why did he have it tested, and why was this recorded at the DVLA?
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: EuropaTC on Sunday,August 21, 2022, 12:44:55 AM
Probably because Mike Brewer is a car dealer and from his viewpoint an independent MoT is a sort of check that it's roadworthy.  It wouldn't bother me either way, the MoT is just a single day test and the car might fall apart a week later but some folks place an awful lot of faith in the system.

And you may guess that I don't MoT my cars either.  I think it's a bit silly when it could be tested one week and then the next week I rip it apart to try a new set of rear brakes, tinker with the geometry, etc. But there are plenty out there who think an MoT pass is a licence to drive for 12 months without looking at the car again.

Brian
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: 4129R on Sunday,August 21, 2022, 01:28:39 AM
https://www.thelotusforums.com/forums/topic/117453-wheeler-dealers-looking-for-lotus-europas/

A shame no-one saw this, and she did not try contacting owners on this forum.

I have just contacted her in case we can help with a re-take.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: S2Zetec54 on Sunday,August 21, 2022, 12:31:35 PM
……that’s a shame…it would have been fun

Quite looking forward to seeing MB trying to get in an S2….probably why the steering wheel is removable
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: SilverBeast on Sunday,August 21, 2022, 12:35:50 PM
It was on one of the Lotus Europa Facebook groups. I think they were going to try again on 27th August.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: 4129R on Sunday,August 21, 2022, 01:38:49 PM
……that’s a shame…it would have been fun

Quite looking forward to seeing MB trying to get in an S2….probably why the steering wheel is removable

Ed China would have had no chance.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: Bryan Boyle on Sunday,August 21, 2022, 02:43:17 PM
It was on one of the Lotus Europa Facebook groups. I think they were going to try again on 27th August.

The producers contacted me back a few weeks ago, and I let the post go through on the Lotus Europa FB group I manage.  I think they got a couple of folks from that group to help out...not sure, but didn't follow up to make sure.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: EuropaTC on Sunday,August 21, 2022, 10:38:31 PM
A thread on Twitter....

https://twitter.com/mikebrewer/status/1560589669384892416 (https://twitter.com/mikebrewer/status/1560589669384892416)

Brian
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: 4129R on Monday,August 22, 2022, 12:03:58 AM
On the Europa Facebook site I joined yesterday.

Snap !!!

Wheeler Dealer

Wheeler Dealers is looking to find a buyer for this restored Lotus Europa S2 due to our current buyer falling through. This car has undergone a complete, engine, gearbox and suspension rebuild, plus extensive body work and paint.  We would love to film a sale on Monday or Tuesday next week, so with that in mind, we have dropped the price to £22.5k.  If you would like the opportunity to own this piece of motoring history then please contact matt.lehec@betty.co.uk 🇬🇧👍🚗
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: EuropaTC on Monday,August 22, 2022, 09:02:41 AM
What I don't understand is why they didn't add some finishing touches to make it look so much better. Obviously there's lots of mechanical work, respray, chassis and plenty of cash or time spent on the car but then they leave the cabin which with the best will in the world you can only describe as scruffy.

I can see it's not a lot of cash to make the interior look presentable, I just don't understand why you'd go so far and then stop. Perhaps they realised they'd price the car out of the S2 market ?

Brian
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: 4129R on Monday,August 22, 2022, 10:07:06 AM
 :I-agree:I wonder what he paid for it. Surely with that amount of work, it was more a contended for Fuzz and Tim on Car SOS.

£16,500 apparently.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: S2Zetec54 on Monday,August 22, 2022, 12:18:18 PM
….just got an email from Ellie and the big Europa meet for the programme was today…so I assume nobody on here made it.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: 4129R on Monday,August 22, 2022, 01:36:30 PM
I have just received an email from Ellie too, saying the same.

A Monday is a very strange day to expect people to drive long distances, and back, to be part of the program.

Not very well planned it seems, and renovating an S2 was always going to be risky.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: lotusfanatic on Tuesday,August 23, 2022, 12:12:35 AM
Hello Brian,

the 'to MOT or not to MOT' of an MOT exempt classic vehicle is a difficult one.
For £50 or £60 it's a fairly thorough check of a car's integrity (often checking areas where many owners won't get to see without a car lift or a pit)
I understand that an MOT is merely a 'snapshot' of a vehicle's condition and only valid on that particular day but I think it's worth having.
There was concern that insurance companies may not offer full cover in the event of a loss, if the vehicle was not MOT'd but I don't think that ever happened?

Mark             

Probably because Mike Brewer is a car dealer and from his viewpoint an independent MoT is a sort of check that it's roadworthy.  It wouldn't bother me either way, the MoT is just a single day test and the car might fall apart a week later but some folks place an awful lot of faith in the system.

And you may guess that I don't MoT my cars either.  I think it's a bit silly when it could be tested one week and then the next week I rip it apart to try a new set of rear brakes, tinker with the geometry, etc. But there are plenty out there who think an MoT pass is a licence to drive for 12 months without looking at the car again.

Brian
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: buzzer on Wednesday,August 31, 2022, 09:38:34 AM
I went along, another 11 Europas turned up.  Most Europas in the UK that I've seen!  quite a long day. There is an embargo on posting pics on social media stuff so will post nearer the time of the program. A few bits of info. they bought it for around 8k I think and sold it for 22.5k. Filming wise they have 13 days to do the refurb, so quite tight. The car sounded nice and was properly set up. cosmetically it was rough in places.  Certainly an interesting day and an inside to how they do it.  Interesting MB doesn't get on with Discovery and has various contractual issues with them. He put up with it though at the moment.

Dave 
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: S2Zetec54 on Wednesday,August 31, 2022, 12:38:18 PM
Thanks For posting Dave. Would have loved to have been there.

Look forward to seeing the show
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: 4129R on Wednesday,August 31, 2022, 01:12:55 PM
I went along, another 11 Europas turned up. 

Were they mostly S2s, or were there many TCs?
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Post by: Bainford on Thursday,September 01, 2022, 08:49:21 AM
Sounds like an interesting day. 12 Europas in one place is impressive for any event.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: buzzer on Wednesday,September 07, 2022, 05:16:03 AM
4 Specials the rest S2s. I'll post pics as soon as it airs which I dont think will be long
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: 4129R on Thursday,September 22, 2022, 03:12:36 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t26URTivj30
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: BDA on Thursday,September 22, 2022, 08:25:45 AM
Fun show! As a “reality show” it wasn’t entirely real and I think it was the “youtubizing” that messed up some of the camera angles but all in all, a fun show! Thanks for the link. I was looking forward to seeing it!
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: 4129R on Thursday,September 22, 2022, 08:54:13 AM
But what idiot takes the body off just to replace rear suspension and driveshaft parts?

So Mike Brewer could not fit in, as previously suggested.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: BDA on Thursday,September 22, 2022, 09:19:06 AM
Yeah, I think taking the body off was just an excuse to show everybody how the Europa (and Elan, Esprit, etc...) frame is so unique. He certainly made a LOT of work for himself to just refresh bushings, change u-joints, and tighten shift linkage. He could have fixed the stud without replacing the rear hub. The handling issue was clearly faked. He kept calling the lower links, "toe links" which they are certainly not.  The list goes on. Keep in mind, it's a TV show - and a reality show at that! So expecting anything more than the something for show, and for the lowest common denominator at that, is going to be disappointed.

So for me, it was fun. Kinda stupid in some parts, but still a kinda fun.
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Post by: SilverBeast on Thursday,September 22, 2022, 09:30:22 AM
Video taken down already
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: BDA on Thursday,September 22, 2022, 09:47:39 AM
Apparently, it's only been moved (for some reason...) to here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcYxIL9ahLE
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: 4129R on Thursday,September 22, 2022, 01:19:01 PM
https://www.hotcars.com/fast-facts-about-marc-elvis-priestly-from-wheeler-dealers/

He comes from a good background, and can fit in the smaller cars, unlike some of his predecessors.

He probably gets paid by the hour, so decided to make a meal of it.

Notice they did not factor in his time, or tell the story about how the sale fell through.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: BDA on Thursday,September 22, 2022, 02:50:32 PM
Elvis sounds like a really interesting guy and he certainly knows how to use a wrench! I wonder if he is just the face of the mechanic on the show and when they did all the rest of the work, they had some "plain" wrench.
Title: Re: Wheeler Dealers S2 is for sale
Post by: Richard48Y on Wednesday,September 28, 2022, 10:26:51 PM
Found the link and watched the episode.
Sorry to say it reminded me again of why I do not watch any television.
Fake drama and unnecessary work, I fail to believe removing the body was really needed.
Oh, and £800 to repair an engine cover that could be replaced with New for £300?
Nice to see the gathering and that it was run up the hill.