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Title: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: gideon on Friday,January 03, 2020, 10:27:15 AM
My occasional craigslist trawl caught this ad for a Series 1 project in Alabama today:

https://bham.craigslist.org/cto/d/double-springs-lotus-europa-series-1/7047158933.html

The seller calls it a parts car.  I think it looks like a viable project for restoration.  The rolling chassis appears to be complete - how many projects come with that stage already done?
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: BDA on Friday,January 03, 2020, 10:36:43 AM
At $1000, that looks like a good deal but there are lots of expensive parts he doesn't include.

There must be a story behind this car since it's titled from Wisconsin and is in Alabama...
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: Chuck Nukem on Friday,January 03, 2020, 11:49:50 AM
Thanks for posting. I reached out. I have an S1A like this and my frame/body are pretty trashed. I have all the components needed to make a complete car.
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: BDA on Friday,January 03, 2020, 11:51:04 AM
Sounds like a match made in heaven, Chuck. Good luck!
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: gideon on Friday,January 03, 2020, 12:25:22 PM
That does sound like a fortunate solution.  Let us know how it goes.
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: jbcollier on Friday,January 03, 2020, 12:58:26 PM
That is not an S1 chassis.  It has been fitted with an early S2 chassis.  The chassis looks to be missing some S1 bracketry (seatbelts, etc).  Nothing wrong with that but worth knowing.  Also the body has been cut to remove the old chassis out the bottom.  Who knows what will need sorting there.  Good deal for $1K.
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: Rosco5000 on Friday,January 03, 2020, 02:58:13 PM
Man that is too bad it is on the wrong coast from me, I would love to have an S1.
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: Chuck Nukem on Monday,January 13, 2020, 10:21:20 AM
Well gentlemen it was a long trip, but I brought her home at 4:00 am this morning! Big thanks to Tom for entrusting this car to me! Gideon thank you for posting this!!

The good:
The body is in great condition. It has the typical cracks, but is largely original. It weighs about 1/2 of what my other S1A shell weighs! This feels as light as my twin cam shell.

The frame is indeed the original S1 unit. The frame has been sandblasted and painted. There was a repair on the T section which will need to be completed, but otherwise it looks to be in great shape. The suspension is restored and like the PO mentioned.

Came with quite a few bits. Between this and my other S1A I have all the parts, so I can copy and replicate what is necessary to make two complete cars.

The bad:
Missing the tail lights!


I think I will start doing the bodywork on this car concurrently to the Twin cam...
 
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: BDA on Monday,January 13, 2020, 11:02:22 AM
Congratulations on your new Europa (how many is that now?)! It's interesting that the body is so much lighter than your other S1, but I'm not surprised that your TC body is lighter than your other S1 - it seems they got lighter the later they are.

Those Europas will surely keep you busy!
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: surfguitar58 on Monday,January 13, 2020, 11:46:00 AM
Congratulations Chuck on another S1 saved! Send some more pics when you get a chance.
Tom
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: jbcollier on Monday,January 13, 2020, 11:55:32 AM
Pictures are gone but original S1 frames have the rear of the front lower a-arm pivots boxed in.

https://s250.photobucket.com/user/jbcollier/media/Europa%20finished%20frame/IMG_0641.jpg.html?sort=1&o=0

https://s250.photobucket.com/user/jbcollier/media/Europa%20finished%20frame/IMG_0640.jpg.html?sort=1&o=1

Sorry about the photo-bucket links but they were posted there before the site went nutso.
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: Chuck Nukem on Monday,January 13, 2020, 12:31:49 PM
Thanks for the pics JB. This is what will need to be re-repaired on the frame. The PO removed the lower section of the T for rust repairs. The frame clearly shows the 46 chassis number and it has the welded nuts for the throttle pedal adjustment.
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: Chuck Nukem on Monday,January 13, 2020, 12:32:27 PM
Congratulations on your new Europa (how many is that now?)! It's interesting that the body is so much lighter than your other S1, but I'm not surprised that your TC body is lighter than your other S1 - it seems they got lighter the later they are.

Those Europas will surely keep you busy!

4.5... Still haven't driven one :) except in my dreams!
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: BDA on Monday,January 13, 2020, 12:53:07 PM
All the more reason to get on the stick and finish at least one of those cars - so you can see what you've been missing all these years!
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: Chuck Nukem on Monday,January 13, 2020, 01:25:17 PM
I'm just glad to have one that finally has tires that roll and hold air!
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: lotusfanatic on Monday,January 13, 2020, 10:19:56 PM
Congratulations Chuck!

another S1 saved!  :trophy:

(what chassis number is it?)

Mark
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: Bainford on Tuesday,January 14, 2020, 09:10:17 AM
Congrats, Chuck !! Cool project, well bought.
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: Sparkrite on Tuesday,January 14, 2020, 01:31:06 PM
Congratulations on what should be a great car.  You guys are so lucky with all these available project cars coming  up for sale  every other day. Here in the UK they very rarely come to the market. I can't wait to find  my one myself.
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: tedtaylor on Tuesday,January 14, 2020, 03:20:18 PM
Congratulations on what should be a great car.  You guys are so lucky with all these available project cars coming  up for sale  every other day. Here in the UK they very rarely come to the market. I can't wait to find  my one myself.

Well i'm certainly here to accommodate an overseas purchase for you.  Just do your long distance shopping for the ones on this side of the pond.  The pound is strong against the dollar, right?  :)
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: Chuck Nukem on Tuesday,January 14, 2020, 06:55:44 PM
Congratulations Chuck!

another S1 saved!  :trophy:

(what chassis number is it?)

Mark

This one is 460468
My original S1A is 460392
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: lotusfanatic on Tuesday,January 14, 2020, 10:12:55 PM
Thanks Chuck!

Two S1 cars! That's a fine brace of 'lightness' 

:beerchug:

Mark
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: Chuck Nukem on Tuesday,January 14, 2020, 10:19:58 PM
Thanks Chuck!

Two S1 cars! That's a fine brace of 'lightness' 

:beerchug:

Mark

 :beerchug:

Cheers indeed! I am excited to restore them both! The S1 is truly a special little car!
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: lotusfanatic on Tuesday,January 14, 2020, 11:15:09 PM
Hopefully, each S1 will act as a point of reference for the other?
I love the S1 cars (but then, I may be biaised!)

 :lotus:

Mark
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: Chuck Nukem on Wednesday,January 15, 2020, 09:14:18 AM
Yes! I have documented the damage the PO did to 460392 when removing the frame and I plan to take molds of 468 to repair it. I also need to take a mold of 392's rear end to repair part of 468! 
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: lotusfanatic on Wednesday,January 15, 2020, 10:26:08 AM
Hello again Chuck,

I've only just realised that I've read about your new car in previous posts!
Tom had removed the chassis out through the bottom of the car, which is what I may try with my car.

Mark 
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: Sandyman on Wednesday,January 15, 2020, 10:34:02 AM
Congratulations on your new acquisition. Please PM me if you want the type 54 chassis that came out of my series 2.
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: Chuck Nukem on Wednesday,January 15, 2020, 03:21:28 PM
Hello again Chuck,

I've only just realised that I've read about your new car in previous posts!
Tom had removed the chassis out through the bottom of the car, which is what I may try with my car.

Mark

Tom did a great job removing it from the bottom. I will post pics of where he cut.
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: Chuck Nukem on Wednesday,January 15, 2020, 03:22:13 PM
Congratulations on your new acquisition. Please PM me if you want the type 54 chassis that came out of my series 2.

Thanks Sandy. It will be a few months before I get to focusing on the chassis. I will certainly let you know!
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: lotusfanatic on Wednesday,January 15, 2020, 09:28:49 PM
Hello again Chuck,

I've only just realised that I've read about your new car in previous posts!
Tom had removed the chassis out through the bottom of the car, which is what I may try with my car.

Mark

Tom did a great job removing it from the bottom. I will post pics of where he cut.

Hello Chuck, any images would be very useful, I've seen more of the chassis removed through the firewall but less of the chassis taken out through the bottom of the car...
Title: Re: Series 1 project in Alabama
Post by: Nockenwelle on Thursday,January 16, 2020, 12:40:46 PM
Congratulations to your second S1. Good to see that the car has been saved and you are not planning to part it out.
When you shop around for the tail lights just be aware that the ones fro the first series Fulvia limousine look almost the same but have a different housing.

On my first S1 I removed the chassis via the bottom of the car back in the nineties. The biggest advantage is that you are not cutting through finished surfaces like the bulkhead. When closing the chassis again it is all done on the underside or in the 'under-carpet-area'. The picture shows the empty shell with the chassis removed via the bottom.

(https://up.picr.de/32603917vy.jpg)