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Lotus Europa 16V Gordini
« on: Saturday,March 14, 2020, 12:40:34 PM »
Hi guys,

I just wanted to tell you a little bit about my future plans for racing in 2020 and beyond.
FIA Appendix K can kiss my ass. I am going to race in Belcar Historic Cup. The regulations offer much more space for modifications and the Europa can race against matching competitors. GT cars with 1600 cc. I am really looking forward to it. First of all I will start with the old FIA config, but then upgrade the car step by step. The holy grale would be to fit a 16V Gordini head to the engine, like on this Alpine A110. https://www.renault-alpine-a110.de/autos/renault-alpine-a110-1800-16v-gruppe-5/

But before that, there are many other issues to solve. Cooling is the first one. I am planning on installing a new aluminium radiator and an electric water pump. The stock Renault 16 pump is just a bad joke. Later I would like to upgrade the brakes, gearbox and engine. I will keep you posted.  :ttiwwp:

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Re: Lotus Europa 16V
« Reply #1 on: Saturday,March 14, 2020, 02:54:02 PM »
Is that head available?

Gulp, how much?

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Re: Lotus Europa 16V
« Reply #2 on: Saturday,March 14, 2020, 03:45:12 PM »
I don't know about the availability. I already read that original 16V heads from Gordini made in the 70s are very rare. But maybe there is some kind of replica of the original gordini heads manufactured in a higher quantity. I don't want to have an original head, but one with 16 valves fitting the 807 block.

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This Renault Gordini engine, developed by the engineers at Viry-Châtillon (whereas Gordini, a brilliant preparer of race cars, was not a trained engineer) was also based on the 807 block from the R16 TS which had already taken Alpine to victory in the 1973 World Rally Championship. It had a dummy lateral cam and chain-driven twin overhead cams. The engine had a capacity of 1774cc, with an 82mm bore and 84mm stroke. It weighed just 100kg and peak power of 200bhp at 8000rpm was claimed, with maximum torque of 19.5 at 6500 rpm and a high compression ratio of 11.8:1.
Only four works 4-cylinder A310s and a single A110 (no. 20503) were originally fitted with the engine. Although reference is made to a hundred or so heads produced for homologation, it is certain that very few complete engines were assembled, perhaps 20 at most. Alpine only had 7 engines for its competition department!

But the engine issue is something for the years after 2021. I think the very first new part for the Lotus will be a (probably) Europa Special-type front spoiler to get a little bit more grip on the front tyres, especially under braking. The spoiler from the Jensen competition manual would also be practical, but it's f***ing ugly.

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Re: Lotus Europa 16V
« Reply #3 on: Saturday,March 14, 2020, 06:05:50 PM »
Hey Mecky! I haven't heard from you in a while! I hope you can find a 16 valve head for your car. I'd love to see how your plans come together!

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Re: Lotus Europa 16V Gordini
« Reply #4 on: Sunday,March 15, 2020, 12:18:05 PM »
The 16V head is a plan for 2022, if it's available somewhere for a reasonable price. Before that, we have to get the car back on track. The good thing about corona-panic: I will have much more time and can start the preparation of the race car earlier in the year. Maybe it will start in March already :pirate:

For 2020 the focus is on preparing the car to be reliable and test it. If I am going to race in 2020, I'm not sure. But there will definetely be track time soon. Circuit Zolder offers good possibilities for testing on track.

The old FIA spec with 160 HP and 700 kg is a nice basis for the start of an evolution to a real race car :deadhorse:

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Re: Lotus Europa 16V Gordini
« Reply #5 on: Monday,March 16, 2020, 05:19:21 PM »
I am going to race in Belcar Historic Cup. The regulations offer much more space for modifications and the Europa can race against matching competitors.

That sounds like more fun, closer competition among more equal cars hopefully.

But before that, there are many other issues to solve. Cooling is the first one. I am planning on installing a new aluminium radiator and an electric water pump.

Interested how you go with improved cooling Stefan and with the electric pump conversion.
My old engine never had cooling issues (once I learn't how to bleed the system properly) with the aluminium radiator in the original position and ducted, but the rebuilt engine (making a bit more power) struggles in warmer weather on track.
Recently we were running a sprint event in full sun and about 35-37degC, towards the end of the last couple of sessions (each of 20 minutes) I had to drop the RPM as the water and cylinder head temperatures started rising higher than I like to see. Oil temperature was also increasing but I haven't any ducting on the oil cooler so that was expected.
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Re: Lotus Europa 16V Gordini
« Reply #6 on: Tuesday,March 17, 2020, 12:21:13 PM »
First of all: the stock water pump is rubbish. I have learned a lot about the design of fluid pumps in university and the impeller shows almost none of the beneficial design features, we learned about. It's completely rudimental and doen't show any intention of reaching a sophisticated level of performance. It was intended for 55 or 65 HP in road use. Three times the power output (or more) in racing environment requires a much higher cooling performance, of course.

In my case, an additional issue is that we had a small leak in the radiator at the last race. We used liquid sealant, because we didn't want to miss the race. But that means that water channels inside the engine and radiator can get pluged by the sealant. This reduced the cooling performance in addition. The consequence at my latest drive to an oldtimer meeting in 2018: Water Temp. higher than 95°C and oil temp below 50°C, because of the very low reving driving on the road. Even at the last race, we had to drop the RPM and "lift and coast" into many corners to keep the temperature below 100°C. As far as I know, the max. pressure (before blowing off) inside the cooling circuit allows water temperatures up to 110-115°C (before boiling), but the car had to survive four hours, thus we didn't risk too much.

All this is too much of a compromise and has nothing to do with racing. This is just carrying my fuel around a circuit. I don't want to waste any more money for that.
That's why I'm going to replace the crucial parts of the cooling circuit as the first important upgrade before the car goes on a track for the next time.

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Re: Lotus Europa 16V Gordini
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday,March 17, 2020, 01:07:33 PM »
The pump is otherwise sound in design, I wonder if there is an alternate impeller that would fit.

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Re: Lotus Europa 16V Gordini
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday,March 17, 2020, 02:10:53 PM »
Couldn't a new impeller be designed and be machined on a CNC mill?
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Re: Lotus Europa 16V Gordini
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday,March 17, 2020, 02:19:21 PM »
If you cannot improve the pump, can you improve the cooling so the water returns to the pump cooler?

I was thinking of a bigger radiator, a more efficient radiator, increased airflow from the cooling fan, or even an additional radiator fitted in the left side wheel well with an additional opening made into the wheel well.

Make sure there are no restrictions to air entering the front grill.

There must be more ways to cool your engine if you cannot improve the pump.

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Re: Lotus Europa 16V Gordini
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday,March 18, 2020, 03:18:56 AM »
I am going to replace the radiator, of course. The old one didn't perform well, even while beeing mounted on the very front just behind the grill. You can see it in the pictures of our green car. I also use a sucking fan on the back side of the radiator, to avoid covering any part of the radiator's frontal area.

What I am planning on doing is what you can see on the orange car, which was built by Sauber Motorsport (a sister company of Sauber F1 team, hence they know how to build a race car) for a Swiss man, who I got to know a few years ago. Sauber built the car to a very high spec (Renault Gordini 8V engine, 1900 cc, 200 HP) and upgraded it with electric water pump and a huge cut in the front bonnet to guide the hot air out of the car directly after flowing through the radiator. As you can see, they also use sucking fans and a new aluminium radiator. That is exactly what I will do before the car goes to any track for racing or even testing. Cooling is an issue, which has been compromised too much in the past. We had to lift and coast at 3 of the last 5 races. And the impact of this was much higher than in F1. It costed several seconds every lap... :deadhorse:

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Re: Lotus Europa 16V Gordini
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday,March 18, 2020, 01:19:22 PM »
Lotus Supplies have a ducted bonnet on their parts list.  It makes a lot of sense for a race car - there should some aerodynamic benefits too in terms of drag reduction and some downforce at the front.  It might affect the aero balance, so that's something to be aware of.

https://www.lotus-supplies.com/parts/bodywork/panels-bodywork/bonnet-ducted-isophthalic-47r-62s/


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Re: Lotus Europa 16V Gordini
« Reply #12 on: Thursday,March 19, 2020, 12:21:47 PM »
Thank you for that tip. That will save me many hours of work. It may be even lighter than the original front bonnet. I have also added the TC front spoiler to my wishlist there. I hope Brexit will not affect that relationship negatively.

I am planning on bringing the car to the workshop on saturday, thus there will be fresh (to)pics very soon. At least, I hope so. Corona could maybe stop me from working on the lovely little car in the next weeks :(

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Re: Lotus Europa 16V Gordini
« Reply #13 on: Thursday,March 19, 2020, 12:41:40 PM »
If you can see it, I have a "cow catcher" front spoiler which should give a lot more front down force as well as brake ducts. I got it from Dave Bean many years ago. I don't know if they still sell them, though I would think they do, and I don't know if or how well it fits on an S2. It might be worth a call at least.

Lotus Supplies also has a front spoiler for racing but they don't show a pictures. You might ask them about it.
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Re: Lotus Europa 16V Gordini
« Reply #14 on: Thursday,March 19, 2020, 12:48:06 PM »
The front air dam I bought from Spyder chassis when I got my new chassis looks like it will fit my 1970 type 54 with minimal fiddling.