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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #615 on: Saturday,August 10, 2019, 04:30:25 PM »
You're awfully picky, D'man!  :)

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #616 on: Saturday,August 10, 2019, 04:40:21 PM »
Lol , BDA

  I was on the angelo parts for hours today since it is 95 f and he feels like temp was 115 f. Thanks for that site. The other night I was on sjsportcars and racked up a shopping cart of 1300.00 which would complete the car. I also put in an order with r&d for the glovebox and some other parts to continue finishing up some things.

I briefly thought about red for tank . Lol Briefly !
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #617 on: Saturday,August 10, 2019, 04:52:01 PM »
My car's on the road. I've been on a few long trips in it including twice to Asheville (4 1/2 hours) and once to Birmingham (> 8 hours). I drive it almost any time Mrs. BDA doesn't come with me (she doesn't like riding in it for more than a mile). I will tell you that $1,300 wouldn't come close to "finishing" my car. It's never going to be finished. There is always something I'd want to do to it.

Red gas tank... Not as good a color as pink or lime green but it could have possibilities.  :)

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #618 on: Saturday,August 10, 2019, 06:07:43 PM »
 That’s the bare minimum to get it on the road, less engine  . I think the prices were EURO but the shipping cost was more than the part, so I can fly there and pick it up cheaper. I’ll  make the list again from R&D, but their website is laid out neatly with pictures of items in stock. Then I can get started with the cross flow engine.
   If all goes well I should have I done by November when I’ll register it . Cars in Florida get registered on your birth month , so if you register a car before that ie now, you pay the entire amount again in November.
 I really don’t drive much anymore 100 miles a day to 10 a week now .
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #619 on: Sunday,August 11, 2019, 04:23:46 AM »
I would paint them silver. I had thought about painting my tanks black but then thought the contrast of color in the engine bay might look nice. I’m glad I left mine the natural aluminum color.

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #620 on: Sunday,August 18, 2019, 09:46:30 AM »
 After installing the piston into the liner the piston seems way to tight. Movement up and down.
Without the rings they moved very freely. End gap was good. Should I continue and rotate after liner locked down?
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #621 on: Sunday,August 18, 2019, 01:14:14 PM »
Normal for significantly more force to be required with the rings on.  Especially when rings are fresh in newly honed bores.  That said, the rings are the right ones?  They have sufficient clearance in the ring groove?

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #622 on: Sunday,August 18, 2019, 02:04:41 PM »
Yes J.B. , all gaps good. Maybe I’m checking it wrong but I placed the top ring in the liner and measured the gap. According to the chart given in the instructions I as right in the mid range of normal/max. The  rings were supplied by R&D.

Liners are newly honed. I’ve done a few motorcycle heads but this is tight. I even removed the piston and checked the surface for unusual wear marks ,but just the normal marks of tight rings.
With it on my workbench it moves with my weight. This also was the same piston that came out of this liner ,nbr 4. This is also the same result I’m getting from nbr 1 cup.

On the bright side the ring compressor works great , plier type.
Thanks JB
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #623 on: Sunday,August 18, 2019, 02:35:35 PM »
Good about the ring end gap.  What about the depth of the rings and the ring groove depth?

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #624 on: Sunday,August 18, 2019, 04:55:58 PM »
With ring in groove gap from top of groove to ring within tolerance. Not in garage right now but both  positions 1&2 were good.
 I thought I mushroomed the pistons when I pressed in the rods pins but there wasn’t much of any dimensional changes.
I also pulled up some dimensions to Check from pdf below. ( pistons not as set ) I don’t know previous history of the original motor and a donor engine that I used the liners and piston combo.
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #625 on: Tuesday,August 20, 2019, 05:13:17 PM »
Talked with the machinist today and all is ‘normal ‘, and I was given the nod to continue. I have a tight engine. I now have all the pistons installed in the liners . Great day. 

   While waiting I was sanding down the rear hubs to 1000. Yes polishing again! I may not need the flangers!

I Order my cam ( (jackshaft) from Renault16 today for the crossflow . Waiting on valves and seat order because I cannot confirm a seat for the size wanted.
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #626 on: Thursday,August 22, 2019, 12:19:32 PM »
  I have a new respect for machinist who put things together correctly. I found some time to install the liners and pistons. I do want to say that this was my first Renault motor and now I know why I am not allowed to return to work as a technician, I am disabled and now it’s sinking in,the my upper arm strength is not there. Stubborn as I am I was able to get the pistons moving easily , very easily when connected to the crank and torqued . It’s been about two hours no and no leaks. (Water check).
  I still have a lot to do , but this is a milestone for me.

Then again more polishing.😀
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #627 on: Thursday,August 22, 2019, 12:31:28 PM »
Rotating the crank with pistons and con rod connected should be very easy - or was in my experience. It looks like you done good!  ;)

You will definitely have the shiniest Europa anywhere!  ;D

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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #628 on: Thursday,August 22, 2019, 01:11:31 PM »
Yes it rotates very easy now compared to a lone piston in a cylinder...lol. My shoulders can’t push. Don’t grow old! My advice...just sayin.
Timing chain on also!😀
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Re: 1970 s2 0453R Reassembly
« Reply #629 on: Thursday,August 22, 2019, 01:23:14 PM »
... Don’t grow old! My advice...just sayin.😀

I don't know D'man, it's better than the alternative!

Congratulations on your timing chain!  :)