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Garage / Re: front brake lockup
« Last post by 314159td on Monday,May 20, 2024, 11:51:20 PM »
I just went and shot Wilwood an email asking basically to confirm those assumptions. Will post their response if/when it comes.
Thankfully, a larger bore master cylinder is the one thing that's easy to find among this mess of part numbers.

Thanks for the lead on ANG, I saw Rimmer got them in stock as well, but at atrocious prices.
May go the rebuild route instead, as the 14s are also a bit heavier. No sense in adding mass (and unsprung!) to something that's already overkill. My Europa has a back exit on the calipers, which I haven't seen on a Girling before. Unsure if there's a reason for that? Seems like it would make bleeding more difficult.
 
Just need a spare set of pistons sitting on the shelf, in case they're ever gone-gone.

Hopefully those thoughts and Willwood's response may be helpful to someone in the future regardless.
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Garage / Re: front brake lockup
« Last post by EuropaTC on Monday,May 20, 2024, 11:44:36 PM »
I can't answer the question on proportioning valves and what you say sounds logical, but rather than guessing I think I'd ask Willwood for their comments.

The braking balance as standard is generally praised in dry conditions, it's wet roads when the real problems come along where you don't get the weight transfer. The snag with deliberately allowing the rear brakes to come on first is that you could end up with the rear end locking so you'd be swapping one problem for another. And of course you'll only know that on a wet road with a panic stop....

One thing I would add is that if you increase the piston diameters is that you'll also increase pedal travel, more so if you managed to fit larger rear cylinders. Not a deal breaker, but something to consider when re-designing the system.

In the UK, ANG classic cars list the type 12 pistons, I don't know if it's an old listing and they still have stock but it might be worth an email.

https://www.angclassiccarparts.co.uk/products/triumph-5981/triumph-13001500-fwdtoledo/brakes/brake-caliper-piston-type-12-triumph-1300-68

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Garage / Re: front brake lockup
« Last post by 314159td on Monday,May 20, 2024, 10:39:28 PM »
Reviving a thread that's already on track of what I'm poking around.

I intend to toss type 14 calipers onto my Series 1 Europa*, which of course started life with type 12 units.

Some napkin math says that swap would be a 25% increase in piston force for the same line pressure, further increasing the potential of a front lockup.
My car would have the same line pressure on the front and rear with a single circuit MC**, so I think a larger rear cylinder would help bring things back into balance. S1 was originally 3/4" rear, so a 7/8" unit may be suitable, but I can't seem to find these, only 7/8" in the TR style.***

With that issue and reading over some threads, it seems like an adjustable proportioning valve installed backwards would work. Reading through Willwood's excellent writeup here, it seems that installing a proportioning valve backwards/on the front circuit would allow the rears to receive full line pressure, then taper off the fronts after a certain adjustable point is reached. This would work in panic stopping events, and I think generally appropriate for how people have described the Europa's braking.
It seems like that would handle most (all?) the changes to the braking system caused by larger front calipers.

I've never had a proportioning valve in a car with mixed drums and discs****, so I'm unsure how the delay and self-energizing of the drums would play into this. A hold-off valve (as mentioned in the first post) in combination with the reversed proportioning system may have more impact on the "delay" felt at the rear brakes.

I don't think a proper combination valve would work here, as it would delay the fronts slightly but also only allow the rear pressure to be reduced, hence separate units so you can flip the proportioning.



*Type 12 cost more for new units, parts to rebuild old ones are tricky to find (pistons have been OOS for years), and my other car also uses 14 so may as well share a single spare pair. BPNW currently has 12s in stock, but I'm not going to rely on those always being there in the future.
**tried to fit a few different dual units, didn't work. Series 1 is much worse than 2 in that regard. 
***Ex: https://bpnorthwest.com/triumph/wheel-cylinder-875-trw-morgan-large-bore-tr4-to-tr6/
****yes, I know about rear disc conversions for the Europa. Later problem.
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Garage / Re: Europa TCST
« Last post by BDA on Monday,May 20, 2024, 05:44:48 PM »
Sealing that is a good idea. Apparently, there can be hot air "backwashed" from the radiator that can find its way into the cabin via the backbone. My car also had a slab of foam rubber that lived under the elbow pad. I realized that one purpose of that is also to keep hot air in the backbone from coming into the cabin.
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Garage / Re: Europa TCST
« Last post by TurboFource on Monday,May 20, 2024, 04:40:46 PM »
Not sure...just thought it should be sealed to try get all the air to go through the radiator ...
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Garage / Re: It's not easy being green - 1971 TC
« Last post by Cheguava on Monday,May 20, 2024, 04:22:28 PM »
Wasted a chunk of the day getting refused from giving blood due to recent dentistry (different rules online to their handbook) so didn't get as much done. Offside door lock removed, harder job due to random nuts and screw headed bolts being deployed at some time, and removal revealed damage to the door that will need repair - grrr.  Got the wiper motor out and if I finish the o/s door and get the heater out tomorrow, that's about it for the interior.

Found the dashboard STL template and although I couldn't get it to print using a suitable app, converted it to jpeg so I can create a template to make the missing lower section of mine and bond it to what's left, with strengthening as required. Decided I'll cover the dashboard in vinyl, which I think should look good and cover a multitude of sins.
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Garage / Re: Europa TCST
« Last post by Cheguava on Monday,May 20, 2024, 03:45:35 PM »
Small progress this week ….  :-\

Made a “seal”  for lower radiator hose to body …. Some other misc.

Is the seal standard fitment, or because of the issues you had lining up the hose mentioned in your previous post? Or alternatively, there's no seal but there should be?

Feel your pain on the seat pans - mine had also rusted but not as badly as yours.
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Garage / Re: Europa TCST
« Last post by TurboFource on Monday,May 20, 2024, 03:26:05 PM »
Small progress this week ….  :-\

Made a “seal”  for lower radiator hose to body …. Some other misc.
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