Experieces in Racing an Europa

[Valerio Leone]

DRAMMATIC TURN OF EVENTS:

Oscar Bubeck and  Alfons Tresch,  two Swiss dudes, ran two Lotus Europe Group 4 GTS in Ollon Villars 1971.

Their Lotus were entrered as................................................

LOTUS EUR. HEMI 1565.

 http://www.ollon-villars.com/img/programmes/1971.pdf

Now we MUST find Photos.
We also Must ask FIA:

Do you allow us to race with Hemi engine? Or do you want disqualify those car form official result as they were not following the appendix J....

Mecky, we have the armageddon!

[Mecky]

That could help us. I don't think we MUST have pictures. The name is enough. Unfortunately there is not "Europa" explicitly written. But here you can see it:  http://www.euromontagna.com/makes.php?lng=2&make=Lotus&type=Europe

The other thing I'm not sure about is the fact that it was a hillclimb. Hopefully it is also relevant for a circuit-racing HTPs...

[Valerio Leone]

the appendik K say just "international race".
Ollon Villars was an huge international (FIA) events, enough to see the names entered and cars as well.
In that time car manifacturs were involved in the European Hill Climb Championship.

You can see the entry list: Alfons Tresh with a Lotus Eur. Hemi.

And take a look at the following photos.
At that time the official Lotus dealer in Swiss used to offer this option. I saw one of this car in Italy 10 years ago.
Following the appendix J 1971 FIA said that "option" for performance can be run if the manifacturer (or a... dealer)  can reach 500 pieces in one year. It can be possible the Swiss dealer convinced FIA that 500 pieces have been done...


http://argent.fia.com/web/fiapublic.nsf/1D4EDF6BC43959EFC12574DB00503D4B/$FILE/Hist_App_J_71_Art_260_a.pdf

 

[Valerio Leone]

and again...ooops.... alloy wheels...

[Mecky]

That sounds sort of good... But I can't afford to take a risk with 700 € for a new HTP.

[Serge]

Wow, that's a turn of events! That would make everything a lot easier! I do think we would need photographs to prove some more, because hemi doesn't specify a whole lot. If we can prove that the car entered has this swiss conversion, we could be onto something big, because the specs are all there on the flyer: Engine, carbs, wheels, ...

Although I liked the idea of staying with the wedge-head engine, it has it's charm!


Serge

Edit: we don't need to prove they made 500, one is enough.

This is a list of other hillclimbs Bubeck entered:
http://www.euromontagna.com/driver.php?id_driver=2114&lng=2

[skwiz]

If this homologuation appear to be succesfull, does it means we could race in GTS 1600 with an hemi (and twin WEBER 45 and larger rims), is it the good conclusion ??

[Serge]

If we can prove this car raced with those parts, yes!

Serge

[Valerio Leone]

well, yes this would be the happy ending...
But the first one of us that will send the document to FIA must present this as a complete dossier as FIA require.
FIA won' t accept just documents, they have to analyse the story of this configuration! That means we have to write a report and it must be supported by documents (entry list, photos, letters of drivers or mechanics..)
Part of the documents are now here attached, But me and Serge are going to hunt for photos of these cars.
Today I tried to contact the Tresch Automobile AG Garage in Dübendorf, German-Switzerland.
They were Renault Dealers back in the seventies, and Alfons Tresch was the owner.
We also have the Alfons Tresch address and telephone number.
But nor me nor Serge speak German and we know that porbably Mr Alfonse don't speak English.
If I have no answer from the Garage I will write a letter to Mr. Alfonse.
Skwiz, before spend money we must collect as much documentation as possible.
You are French, you could get in contact with FIA in order to better understand how it can be done this dossier.

ciao,
Valerio
 

[Mecky]

I speak German quite well and I would love to race in GTS class, too. 

[Valerio Leone]

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[Serge]

Stefan,

how hard was it to present a file to the FIA to get your current homologation based on the photographs and entry forms that you found?


Serge

[Mecky]

I sent an E-Mail with a short explaination and attached theperiod pictures and some pictures for comparison between the different engine types. That's it.

[Valerio Leone]

Hi Mecky,

You presented the period specification Prove with Entry List and photos of the race car with the engine bay exposed where is even possible to see the Tecalemit Injection pump!! 
Let alone the change of the bodycoach. 

Here we have instead just the Entry List and some evidences that allow us to build a sort of a prove.
But still miss The Prove.
May be I'm wrong but I think we need to get the photos of those cars. Or at least we have to try...
 

[skwiz]

I will try to figure out if that could be enough or if we would absolutely need pictures, but last time I contacted them it took me 1 week to have the guy on the phone and it was a not really helpfull oldschool guy...
Lets hope next time will be more relevant !!