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73 TCS/JPS on LA area Craigslist
« on: Friday,March 03, 2017, 04:47:58 PM »
Found the ad while skimming CL. It's advertised as a JPS but the photos don't show the JPS placard. From what is shown, the car looks pretty complete.

https://losangeles.craigslist.org/sfv/cto/6028199409.html

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Re: 73 TCS/JPS on LA area Craigslist
« Reply #1 on: Friday,March 03, 2017, 05:53:31 PM »
Actually, it says it's a JPL. Do you think he's a rocket guy (Jet Propulsion Labs)?  :)

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Re: 73 TCS/JPS on LA area Craigslist
« Reply #2 on: Saturday,March 04, 2017, 12:34:49 AM »
If my garden wasn't full, I might have been interested.

That car needs everything doing to it, re-spray, re-trim, dashboard, engine rebuild, so a full nut and bolt job.

The price IMHO is too much, as heaps will need to be spent.

I think I must be Banks best customer. Just done a stocktake to get the bits I need while they are still available. Several are not in stock.

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Re: 73 TCS/JPS on LA area Craigslist
« Reply #3 on: Saturday,March 04, 2017, 12:21:23 PM »
Actually, it says it's a JPL. Do you think he's a rocket guy (Jet Propulsion Labs)?  :)

Or he's been drinking too much Johnny Walker, the text of the ad says "Johnny player special".

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Re: 73 TCS/JPS on LA area Craigslist
« Reply #4 on: Saturday,March 04, 2017, 05:55:24 PM »
I saw the same ad and after looking at the pictures also determined it was a complete fame off restoration of everything plus paint. Agreed, too much even at $10K. Is there another way to determine if it is a true JPS without the number disc?

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Re: 73 TCS/JPS on LA area Craigslist
« Reply #5 on: Saturday,March 04, 2017, 06:57:39 PM »
Years ago, there was a long thread on the yahoo group about JPSs. The tag on the dash is the only part that's different from a TCS (Federal?). I think, but I'm not sure that some of them were affixed at a dealer. I've even heard of someone who swears that they weren't all black (I'm not going to argue but I don't think he's right). The original owners (some of them, anyway) got a jacket and a bag of stuff, but in answer to your question, that plaque is the only way to tell them (maybe an email to Andy at Lotus is the other way).

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Re: 73 TCS/JPS on LA area Craigslist
« Reply #6 on: Sunday,March 05, 2017, 12:44:15 AM »
Chassis 72112861R claims to be JPS # 61.

3028R claims to be # 50

2919R claims to be #11

2888R claims to be #21

All around Nov 1972 to January 1973.

So if this car is around these numbers, it could be one of the originals.


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Re: 73 TCS/JPS on LA area Craigslist
« Reply #7 on: Sunday,March 05, 2017, 04:18:53 PM »
my 3638R was #185  (June 1973)
my 2933R is #059   (1973)

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Re: 73 TCS/JPS on LA area Craigslist
« Reply #8 on: Sunday,March 05, 2017, 07:06:09 PM »
Does Andy Graham at Lotus know all the serial numbers of the 200 JPS cars ?

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Re: 73 TCS/JPS on LA area Craigslist
« Reply #9 on: Sunday,March 05, 2017, 08:04:51 PM »
If he can't find them, nobody can.

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Re: 73 TCS/JPS on LA area Craigslist
« Reply #10 on: Monday,March 06, 2017, 11:28:52 AM »
I spoke with the owner of this car and he sent me a copy of the ID plate with the unit number. I told him I would be checking with Lotus to see if it really was one of the 200 JPS cars (he insists it is).

Got an email from Andy this morning, it is not one of the 200 JPS cars. The owner will be disappointed to find out.
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Re: 73 TCS/JPS on LA area Craigslist
« Reply #11 on: Monday,March 06, 2017, 11:45:40 AM »
 :happy-bday:
my 3638R was #185  (June 1973)
my 2933R is #059   (1973)

3640 claims it could be #127 but the PO lost the dashboard badge. Without that badge, IMHO is is just another black JPS TCS of which there are many.

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Re: 73 TCS/JPS on LA area Craigslist
« Reply #12 on: Monday,March 06, 2017, 11:58:14 AM »
It's not unusual for a user to claim his is a JPS when it isn't. I would say that most are honestly mistaken - probably because of what the previous owner told him. I think some consider gold pinstripes are what distinguishes a JPS from a "regular" Europa. Of course, the disinformation has to start somewhere.


I assume he honestly believes he has a JPS and is not sophisticated enough to know the truth (seems reasonable since he called it a "Johnny player special" and "JPL") in which I feel bad for him since he would have been duped by the PO.

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Re: 73 TCS/JPS on LA area Craigslist
« Reply #13 on: Monday,March 06, 2017, 12:07:46 PM »

3640 claims it could be #127 but the PO lost the dashboard badge. Without that badge, IMHO is is just another black JPS TCS of which there are many.


I'm with you. It might actually have been (or be) a JPS but without the dash plaque, it's just an interesting story about the car ("It really is a JPS. This is what happened to the badge..."). That plaque is the only physical difference between a JPS and regular black Europa with gold pinstripes.

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Re: 73 TCS/JPS on LA area Craigslist
« Reply #14 on: Monday,March 06, 2017, 05:32:42 PM »
Even if it had been a JPS, the car was still over priced for what is.

Have to wonder though just how much of a premium a JPS has over a plain Jane black TCS in the same condition and equipment. For reference, my old JPS #188 sold for $22.5k a year and a half ago. To someone it was worth the money. I don't think I would have paid that much for it myself.

http://www.lotuseuropa.org/gallery/73-Original-JPS

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