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Offline cal44

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Question Rear Bearing carriers
« on: Tuesday,August 14, 2012, 07:21:53 AM »
If I understand correctly, the rear bearing carriers were soft and can distort as well as the bearings taking their toll on the carrier.
I am aware of the company on Ebay that restores them....but,

How often does a carrier fail?

Does anyone make new carriers?

With the technology today I would think a C&C machine could make them out of billit to a superior piece.

Also if I understand correctly there are three different carriers or are there more?  S1/S2, TC and TC Special.

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Re: Question Rear Bearing carriers
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday,August 14, 2012, 09:36:31 AM »
I haven't heard of issues with the carrier, but I haven't dealt with any rear axle problems yet.  I have heard that metal spacers aren't hardened and can mushroom, that the stub axle takes an odd size bearing and that the splines on the end that mate with the hub can get chewed up.   

But I'm sure we've got at least one person on this group already that has delt with the problem and knows.  (I just have hearsay).

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Re: Question Rear Bearing carriers
« Reply #2 on: Tuesday,August 14, 2012, 11:16:23 AM »
The carriers can distort after all that years. Because of that, the bearing is able to move a bit (and turn around) inside the carrier. The fitting is not good anymore.
If your car has bearing play on the rear wheels, your bearing carriers have this problem. You should feel the bearing play when you lift the rear wheel up and try to jiggle the wheel. If there is any movement, "which does not come from the radius arm or the dampers", there is bearing play.

We had that problem on the left side and changed the bearing carrier. Fortunately we had another one, which was ok. It is stock and we got it as spare part, when we bought the car.

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Re: Question Rear Bearing carriers
« Reply #3 on: Tuesday,August 14, 2012, 02:31:39 PM »
A worn spline or hub, or even a loose hub nut will also give you play in the wheel.  So be sure to inspect where the play is coming from.

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Re: Question Rear Bearing carriers
« Reply #4 on: Tuesday,August 14, 2012, 10:33:37 PM »
I've not heard of the carriers distorting but from a personal viewpoint they are the most likely thing for an amateur mechanic to break.  When I got my car I was lucky in having a local Lotus specialist who was also a personal friend and he spent many lunchtimes telling me what NOT to do !

The alloy is soft and careless pressing in or out of bearings will damage the machined surfaces & hence you get what looks like bearing play. I was told to assemble using Loctite "Bearing Fit" which is a high strength, large gap filling assembly fluid.  Likewise to fit the hubs with the same stuff, coating the splines until it runs out at the end of the hub before tightening the hub nut "as tight as you can with a breaker bar, just forget trying to measure the torque figure, stand on it".   

This was because there were originally problems with them loosening in service and this seemed to be the way the problem was solved.  And as previously commented in the thread, worn splines or a loosening hub nut all give similar effects at the wheel.

But this meant you needed to heat the hub & housing to soften the Loctite before you could dismantle them, without heat I'm sure you'd stand a good chance of damaging something. And if you don't know about the Loctite (and the average mechanic isn't likely to)  then you can see how so many get "worn"  ;)

I think the castings were all the same but there were machining mods along the way. The early ones used a strange 31mm smaller bearing, rationalised to a 30mm one for the TC and then to two identical bearings on the Special (they used the larger one from the S2/TC).  I did think about converting mine to the larger bearings but Chris (the Lotus specialist) said it wouldn't make that much difference in his opinion as they seemed to have similar failure rates. He was more concerned about shimming the driveshafts & condition of the UJs.

Brian